Minecraft

If it had been made in C++ it would have lower system requirements.

>>39
Apples are infinitely superior to oranges. For one thing, they are red.

>>41
They're also more expensive, thanks to Steve Jobs' cancer.

>>26
It's 2010, the JVM is fast, and the Java language is now slightly less terrible than C++.
Hahaha oh wow.

According to browser vulnerability studies, 89% of people have Java installed. How the fuck is that even possible? Flash I understand, but Java? What the fuck are these poor people need to run that forces them to install that POS?

On sightly more encouraging news, Azureus'/Vuze market share continues to plummet under the pressure of clients written in proper languages. Good idea to put your product under a permanent competitive disadvantage by using these shitty ENTERPRISE frameworks. They're called ``ENTERPRISE'' because the only way people will put up with that shit is being forced to use it in some environment where they've no alternative.

>>23

mostly Python

Seriously? That's astonishing! Wouldn't that be a pain in the ass to write a lot of source in Python?

>>26
OpenJDK is still slow, and I refuse to use an Oracle-generated binary blob on my Debian box.

So I hear it's fairly easy to decompile Java byte code. Can somebody link me a source and it's decompiled version? Just curios how they compare, please?

Search engines returned nothing of the genre.

>>47

Never mind. Sorted it. Easier than I expected actually.

>>44
I downloaded Vuze once to see how it was even though I'm perfectly fine with utorrent. It was lol, just lol.

>>49
You just wait, that self-diagnosed Asperger and his company are hard at work ensuring you won't be ``perfectly fine'' with it rather soon.

>>46

Faster is not necessarily better.
Java uses CacheIntegers as Integers to fast things up and that leads into deep shit.

Also, email this fucking thread to that asshole Minecraft developer.

>>50
How so? It's been good for years now.

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>>37

It's called UrT.

>>53
Since they bought it, it has doubled in size (173 to 320 KB, and that's using a packer) while adding zero worthwhile features and many inane bugs which the original developer (the only one who had any talent in the whole endeavor) would never have made (stuff like "if you download more than 2GB between tracker updates the amount reported becomes negative").

Changes so far:

* Teredo (useless shit, causes problems, abandoned and disabled in current builds — the stupid idea of adding this has Bram Cohen smell all over it)

* uTP (sort of interesting, but I don't think it's a good idea in the whole — solving the wrong problem at the wrong place)

* Bundling advertising shit enabled by default at first run

* Playing with advanced stuff (OS file caching flags and the such) that generated a lot of problems and complaints

* Adding menial features and tons of bugs, needing to release dozens of bugfix versions after every release

However the real fun starts now, with the shitty integrated browser stuff (hi Vuze!) they've added to 2.2 (for another 20% size increase), and the insane future plans:

http://www.utorrent.com/labs/falcon
http://www.utorrent.com/labs/pheon

This is yet another textbook example of why commercial ``commodity'' software sucks. I hope they go bankrupt; I do not approve of the "buy make some awesome piece of software and monetize ruin it" business model. This has happened many times already in the past. It never ends well.

>>56
You're just mad because you don't have asperger's like all the cool kids.

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Yeah, it would require a 10% slower CPU minimally. BIG improvement.
Java is not slow, minecraft would be even playable if it was made in python, since what is most expensive - graphics is handled by OpenGL, op is a fag.

>>58
OpenGL doesn't ``handle'' graphics, it just draws them. Telling it what to draw can take a lot of function calls, especially if you do it stupidly like a Java programmer invariably would, and an wrapper to the native interface can add a significant overhead.
That's beside the fact that Minecraft wastes plenty of memory and CPU on things besides graphics, all equally incompetently written.
I've never played or even looked at this so-called ``Minecraft.''

>>58
Java is not slow
Why does Java install an "fast startup add-on" then? CPU instruction efficiency is only a small part of the history, and the least of Java's problems.

Don't feel bad though, all frameworks suck, no exceptions. Even .NET on Windows sucks.

>>45
Far lower a pain that it'd be to write seven times more code in Java, C or C++.

>>60
Especially .NET on Windows sucks.
FTFY

>>60-61

I disagree with your posts.

>>62
If you're feet are wet and you can see Cheop's Pyramid chances are you are in DeNile.

>>60
Because Java has a massive standard library and incredibly powerful virtual machine, which means there's a lot to load into memory.  The advantage of "native" apps isn't that they're more lightweight, just that the things they depend on are already in memory because everything else also uses them.  If every process on a machine used the JVM this would be a non-issue (see Solaris).

My car

If it had been made out of aluminum, it would be able to drive over more bridges without exceeding the weight limit

My anus

If it had been made bigger, it wouldn't hurt so much when I bottom

>>64
OK, what's the advantage of being non-native then? Even if it only costs you 10% performance (and that's very optimistic!), why would you do that? What is a ``incredibly powerful virtual machine'' anyway?

>>66
It's a virtual machine that's incredibly powerful.

>>66
It's like a powerful virtual machine, only with more blimps and orangutans.

>>66
Write once, run everywhere. This is the idea.

Java apologists? On my /prog/?

>>70
More like trolls, metatrolls and the tolled.

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