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The uncomfortable truth about academia

Name: Connoisseur 2010-07-16 15:30

Got sent this in an e-mail, thought you guys might like it. From some objectivist's blog, I think.

At work today I discussed a new rule of thumb with the hiring manager, in an effort to stave off more fuckups like the guy we just had to fire. I provided her with a list of theory buzzwords and academic programming languages. If an applicant lists any of these on his resume, from now on she will not call him in for an interview. If he volunteers a mention of them during an interview, she will end it immediately.

For the naive among you: An academic programming language is by definition a language in which you cannot do real work. These languages are easy to identify because academics write papers about them. I think most people are unaware of the distinction, which is confusing because just four or five years ago it was glaringly obvious and nobody would take such a language seriously or ever try to use it to write an actual program. If some retard wanted to spend the rest of his life trying to write a working text editor in LISP, that was his business and all the people with homes and jobs could safely ignore him. Long story short? This is no longer true. Now the drooling lab rats have escaped from the lab. Now they're on my front lawn demanding to replace my Porsche with a cardboard box attached to a skateboard with organic barbed wire. Now they are literally in my actual business, wasting my time as well as theirs.

When a viral infection escapes from a lab, it's a disaster, a plague. It's the fucking armageddon. I think we should treat the theories of academia exactly the same way. God knows we've seen this happen in other fields-just look at the Gulf of Mexico. But at least that's a poison we can see with our eyes. Usually when academics poison industry with their impossible ideas, it goes completely unnoticed, and the world treats disasters as mysterious.

My industry is one of these. American programmers don't understand why nobody ever hires them. They complain about this on web pages like Reddit and Y Combinator, where they also discuss functional programming, monads, and web frameworks written in Ruby and Python. And nothing about this strikes them as ironic or hypocritical.

The good news (for me) is that programmers from other countries are actually serious about their work. All the Chinese and Indians we interview know that in the real world, we are worried about real computers that exist, with real hardware and real performance limitations.

Meanwhile, academic heavyweights like Mr. Don Stewart brag about the great things that they can do in Haskell, like write a display server called X Monad. Actually it's not a display server, it's a window decorator. Actually it's not written in Haskell, it's written in C, with a thousand lines of convoluted Haskell necessary to use the foreign function interface and call the C code that it's written in. Actually everything Mr. Stewart writes is like this. "Superior performance, safety, and ease of use?" So says Mr. Stewart, in the Haskell book that he's selling to all the people who think Haskell sounds like a good idea. Why yes, he's making money on this deal. Did he forget to mention that?

Overselling one's snake oil is hardly unique to Mr. Stewart. It's like the foundation of academia as a concept. The university itself is snake oil, and the whole community is a giant pyramid scheme for keeping afloat those who buy into it. I do mean "buy." The veil of learning and education is a front for the conspiracy of industrial sabotage, the vast plot to bring down all of society in order to "prove" that the bearded professors in their poorly ventilated hidey-holes were Right All Along. That's a self-fulfilling prophecy, by the way-a common ailment of mongoloids and schizophrenics.

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-30 1:47

>>160
I'm an oldfag i've been here whole summer.(also someone mentioned Frozen void guy so i had to research it)

Name: BALLS OF STEEL 2011-06-30 2:52

>>90
Computers are very different from cars!

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-30 4:18

Cool story bro. I'm still in University and still can't give two flying fucks about functional programming.... but I have to question why their intro to programming courses are in Ada.

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-30 5:20

TL;DR

OP probably majored in english and has nothing to do with programming.

Name: Brain 2011-06-30 7:31

>Now the drooling lab rats have escaped from the lab.
To take over the World.

Name: dubzbot-ng 2011-06-30 7:31

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>>121
<-- that's cool and all, but check 'em

Name: Brain 2011-06-30 7:32

>>166
Shutup, Pinky and get into the cardboard car.

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-30 11:53

after learning smalltalk, lisp, and haskell, I got so much better at C/C++/Java that I forgot for a few weeks why I hated them after going back.

For instance, I'm way more productive at C# than most others, and it's due to the fact that I use delegates wisely. I do this because of my experience in Scheme.

And I'm better at statically typed languages because I don't use the type checker as a crutch and I write more test cases.

I don't think it's really possible to get WORSE at a low level language by exploring high level languages.

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-30 11:54

pretty sure OP's post is made up. google doesn't respond to it. Anyone have a cached page of it?

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-30 11:57

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-30 12:06

>>168
I don't think it's really possible to get WORSE at a low level language by exploring high level languages.
Sure, you can't become worse at programming than you already are, buddy.

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-30 12:06

>>171
Cool ad hominem, lithp fagstorm.

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-30 12:15

>Indians are more productive than real hackers

this is what butthurt haters actually believe

Name: Fagstorm 2011-06-30 12:32

>>172
Ad hominem is a fallacy only if instead of attacking the presented argument one points at an unrelated deficiency of the person making the argument.

For example, "Your opinions about lithp are invalid because you gobble members" would be an ad hominem.

If however a colour-blind person makes a statement regarding a certain quality of photographic apparatus, it would be absolutely correct to point out that the person is question is, in fact, colour-blind.

Similarly, when a person takes the fact that he haven't become worse at programming after being exposed to Lithp, Chitchat, and Haskal, and claims that this must be a universal rule, it's worth pointing out another possibility: that he is already so bad that nothing short of a brick to the face could make him worse at programming (and even that's debatable). It's a perfectly cromulent argument that has nothing to do with the fallacy of ad hominem.

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-30 12:35

why the fuck is this thread still being bumped

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-30 12:38

>>174
Reverse psychology works -- now I know for a fact that the "ad hominems are not what you think" pedant still frequents this board.

Name: dubzbot-ng 2011-06-30 12:38

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>>50
<-- check my doubles

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-30 13:30

>>176
Ah! I know! That's what you want me to believe! Wait, no, it's this what you want me to believe. Or is it this? Shit, I'm confused.

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-30 14:57

>>106
what the fuck am i reading

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-30 16:30

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-30 19:41

Wow the OP must have felt pretty bad about hiring shitty outsourced programmers to save money.
Don't worry OP, it'll blow up in your face soon enough.
Also fyi, what we program on in our spare time is none of your business.

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-30 20:24

>>169
OP here. It's not made up, but I admit I plagiarized it from another source. It was posted on someone's serious blog a while back. I forget the source. If I recall correctly, I found it amusing and realized it would be good shit storm material for /prog/, hence the reason I created this thread.

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-30 23:34

>>106
>LISP is attempt at executable XML with less syntax.

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-30 23:55

>>183
yes, you've grasped the essence of it
what you don't understand are the implications.

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-01 0:34

>>184
Unreadable semantic soup which executes at runtime?

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-01 2:54

>>182
What's sad is that this was posted in a SERIOUS blog.
Then again, you mentioned it's an objectivist blog, that explains a lot.

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-01 5:45

INB4 DUBBIO BRO

Name: dubzbot-ng 2011-07-01 5:45

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>>111
dubz

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-01 13:03

>>185
that's what butthurt haters actually believe

cry more

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-01 13:10

>>189
fuck off and die, lithp faggot

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-17 16:23

good thread

bum p

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