/prog/ - SexpCode+ revision

Name: 2010-06-27 17:48

Each character should refer to a single-character atom rather than having these dot things to differentiate between each single-character atom.

NO EXCEPTIONS
[b][i][o][u]NO EXCEPTIONS[/u][/o][/i][/b]
{b.i.o.u NO EXCEPTIONS}
becomes
{biou NO EXCEPTIONS}

But, in the case of a multi-char atom like tt, spoiler, sub, sup, quote, or img, we should make use of the dot things.

A dot should be used to denote the start of a multi-character atom and optionally the end of the atom, e.g.

_{fioc user}
[sub]fioc user[/sub]
{sub fioc user}
becomes
{.sub fioc user}

and

^/b/
[i][sup][b]/b/[/b][/sup][/i]
{i.sup.b /b/}
becomes
{i.sup.b /b/}

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-27 17:56

>>1
I support this.

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-27 18:07

I would ask someone to convert all posts in /prog/ to both formats, and then see which format, on average, produces shorter strings. I will not do this because I'm lazy.

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-27 18:08

Sexpcode+ considered harmful

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-27 18:11

If you really want to get your changes into the SexpCode standard, it's probably more effective to discuss them in #bbcode.
This particular suggestion is awful, though.

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-27 18:14

. is the function composition operator, not some mere tag delimiter. Clearly you have not yet reached Satori.

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-27 18:17

>>6
And thus we see the dangers of infix syntax.

Name: 2010-06-27 18:18

>>6
In >>1-san's perspective, the very notation of a character being next another represents a composition.

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-27 18:21

>>8
And that's stupid. It's in violation of a million years of mathematical convention. It's as stupid as that guy on {b Xarn}'s blog suggesting SexpCode should be using commas instead of periods because that's how CSS does it.

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-27 18:28

>>9
In mathematical convention they use open dots ∘, arrows →, and the parentheses notation f(g(x)). Stop being obtuse.

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-27 18:31

>>10
If my keyboard had it I’d use ∘ instead. A period is as far as I’m willing to compromise.
http://cairnarvon.rotahall.org/2010/05/25/towards-a-better-bbcode/#comment-46713

Haskell also uses periods for function composition. As do mathematicians when communicating over media that don't allow for the full range of Unicode.

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-27 18:33

>>11

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-27 18:42

>>11
Most mathematicians use LaTeX, Microsoft Equation Editor, or MathML when communicating math over a computer.

Are you on your period or is there something else justifying your lack of intuition?

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-27 18:44

Last time I checked, fg(x) was equivalent to f(g(x)).

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-27 18:47

>>10
The equivalent of the parentheses would be nested SexpCode function application: {f {g x}}
It's not exactly composition.

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-27 18:48

>>14
I don't know where you checked that, but your source is wrong.

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-27 18:49

>>13
intuition
You don't even know what that word means.

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-27 18:52

>>17
Well at the least, I'm not on my period!

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-27 19:10

fg(x) is equivalent to \t. f(t)*g[x](t). Read SICM they use this notation all the time

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-27 19:27

Read SICM

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-27 19:36

>>6
. is the function composition operator, not some mere tag delimiter.
Null-space is being using as the composition operator in the proposed SexpCode, while dots are being used as delimiters for the functions themselves (and ``functions'' longer than 1 character at that). Do you understand?

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-27 20:06

unicode 202E should be used instead, everything else is considered harmful.

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-27 20:09

{b.i.o.u NO EXCEPTIONS}

now becomes

{b‮i‮o‮u NO EXCEPTIONS}

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-27 20:13

>>21
Except that there's no ZWSP character between the functions there, and if there were, there would be no need for delimiting.

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-27 20:33

>>24
Null-space referring to the lack of anything (space) separating separating the characters.

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-27 20:40

>>25
That's stupid and so are you.

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-27 20:44

>>26
Why?

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-27 21:31

>>27
Presumably because null space means something different.

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-27 22:44

>>29
Well, is there a word for the space/lack of space that we use to separate characters?

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-28 0:23

Is there a badge or banner I can put on my website to show support for this project? (Like a Get Firefox icon?)

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-28 1:15

>>30
I'm cynical if this is sarcasm or not. Hopefully sarcasm.

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-28 3:34

>>30
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Name: Anonymous 2010-06-28 3:39

>>32
text/png

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-28 3:54

>>32
I think I just came a little.

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-28 3:59

>>32
It's amazing how small that is, and yet how much further it could still be compressed. PNG is magic.

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-28 4:03

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Name: Anonymous 2010-06-28 4:17

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Name: Anonymous 2010-06-28 4:44

>>30
Made for netscape navigator

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-28 4:52

bold(italic(overline(underline("No exceptions.\n")))).print();

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-28 5:03

One thing I must ask is, how do you escape the '{', '}', and '.' characters? What if I want to put some C code in a code tag?

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