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Wikipedia Deletionists Get Exposed

Name: Anonymous 2010-03-18 9:28

Name: Anonymous 2010-03-18 9:51

I recall the time when every article for deletion was compared with individual pokemon articles. Finally this struck a nerve, and they merged them all into several lists and made hundreds of redirects.

Name: Anonymous 2010-03-18 9:55

>>1
But you must agree, that WM that is used by 0.001% of Linux users (the rest would tell you that their window manager is Ubanto, kekeke), which in turn constitutes the 0.001% percent of personal computer users (the "more than 1%" figure linuxtards are proud of takes servers into account) is not really notable. Even though all five DWM users are flaming non-stop in the discussion. Even though they managed to recruit a number of linuxtards who "use Ubanto" but feel obliged to support their brothers nevertheless. Still, not notable.

As much as I hate wikipedos, I have to concede that they are absolutely right in this case.

Name: Anonymous 2010-03-18 9:59

>>3
>numbers out of your ass
>notability
>wikipedos
>Ubanto
>linuxtards
You're not helping your wikifriends by using such crude and baseless arguments.

Name: Anonymous 2010-03-18 10:02

>>4
I have no pedo friends, pal.

Name: Anonymous 2010-03-18 10:04

>linuxtards
Wow. You made a portmanteau of the words 'linux' and 'retard'. Well, thats me converted. I'm going to format my Linux box, spend a few hundred on Windows and install it today!

Name: Anonymous 2010-03-18 10:04

>>5
I didn't mention any "wikipedos", its your brand of insult.

Name: Anonymous 2010-03-18 10:10

>>5
So they disowned you too? With the bitterness you express I can quite see why you have no friends.

Name: Anonymous 2010-03-18 10:11

>>6
I wasn't try to "convert" you. Your belief that there are two religions here, Linux and Windows, is mistaken, one of them is not.

>>7
The strong correlation between being a Wikipedia admin and being a paedophile does not disappear if you insist on calling them "my wikifriends". Also, attacking language instead of arguments is a hallmark of inept troll losing an argument.

Name: Anonymous 2010-03-18 10:12

>>8
Ad hominem.

Name: Anonymous 2010-03-18 10:15

>>9
No, my friend there are indeed Windows zealots too. I've worked with some of these sad, deluded individuals.

I guess some people take a dogmatic view of life and just hang on to whatever they've been told is right. Never thinking or questioning the base assumptions.

You sounds like one of them, too.

Name: Anonymous 2010-03-18 10:16

>>10
This is [spoilers]/prog/[/spoilers] not debate/rhetoric class.

Back to r9k, please

Name: Anonymous 2010-03-18 10:17

/prog/ even

damn it's too early, where's the coffee at

Name: Anonymous 2010-03-18 10:20

>attacking language instead of arguments
Not very strong arguments you have here:
But you must agree[Pleading for support ], that WM that is used by 0.001%[Number out of your ass] of Linux users (the rest would tell you that their window manager is Ubanto, kekeke[Using corrupted names, and laughing over the subject,thus not taking it seriously]), which in turn constitutes the 0.001%[Number out of your ass] percent of personal computer users (the "more than 1%" figure linuxtards[Insult] are proud of takes servers into account) is not really notable. Even though all five[Number out of your ass] DWM users are flaming[Subjective]  non-stop in the discussion. Even though they managed to recruit a number of linuxtards[Insult] who "use Ubanto"[Corrupted name] but feel obliged to support their brothers nevertheless. Still, not notable[Subjective].

As much as I hate wikipedos[Insult], I have to concede that they are absolutely[baseless claim] right in this case.

Name: Anonymous 2010-03-18 10:21

>>14
Well played, Anon. Yes indeed.

Name: this thread sucks 2010-03-18 10:27

>>3
I realise that IHBT, but the 1% figure is DESKTOP USAGE IN THE UNITED STATES. It does not include servers, and it doesn't take into account that Linux is more popular outside the US, and Macs are less popular

Name: Anonymous 2010-03-18 10:33

In an ideal world Wikipedia will be replaced by compatible project with same content and none of bureaucracy.

Name: Anonymous 2010-03-18 11:08

>>14
Number out of your ass
Refute it then.

>>16
Linux is more popular outside the US
Yes, of course, especially in India and China. These ancient eastern cultures have an ingrained respect for intellectual property but can't afford to buy Windows, thus the wild popularity of Linux.

Name: Anonymous 2010-03-18 11:56

>>18
>Refute it then
The burden of the proof is on you. You provided the data.
Its like posting something that "proves existence of God", quotes Bible and asks everyone "try to refute me!", "since you can't refute me, God proven to exist".

Name: Anonymous 2010-03-18 12:02

Name: Anonymous 2010-03-18 12:11

>>20
Why you bring to this place a standard from wikipedia? Are you trying to be sarcastic about your own post quality/relevance? The burden of evidence is always on those who provide data, not those who consume it.
Its applicable everywhere where you have serious discussion, not only wikipedia(..and which policies are more bureaucratic than purely logical anyway, thats the point of the thread)

Name: Anonymous 2010-03-18 12:19

>>19
Refute it then
The burden of the proof is on you. You provided the data.
Waaait a second. So here are we, discussing whether DWM is notable enough, and suddenly the burden of proof that it is not falls on me? Or maybe it is you who has to prove that there exist more than five people who use DWM? Because it would be easy for you to prove that they exist if they do, while nigh to impossible for me to prove that they don't exist even if they really don't, since you could always claim that there is an entire village of DWM users somewhere in Angola?

Yes indeed, one of us does something very similar to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot, but I'm afraid I am not the one.

Name: Anonymous 2010-03-18 12:29

>>22
>So here are we, discussing whether DWM is notable enough
Not quite, we're discussing why "notability" is a failed policy.
There is clear difference between things purely imaginary(Russell teapot), and
dwm(which every normal human being can find its existence in 5 seconds of googling).

Name: Anonymous 2010-03-18 12:37

>>22
I use dwm. When are the young nubile ladies in the mood coming round?

Name: Anonymous 2010-03-18 12:42

>>23
Not quite, we're discussing why "notability" is a failed policy.
Yes? Since when?

dwm(which every normal human being can find its existence in 5 seconds of googling).
No one is disputing the existence of DWM. Notability is about the existence of its users. I must point out that this is your second failure to make rational argument in a row.

I can also add that searching for "dwm window manager" in Google proves to be rather unhelpful for establishing the existence of its users, as after a few links to the official site and some guy's blog about it, results are dominated by posts like "Is dwm.exe a virus?". Funny, isn't it?

Name: Anonymous 2010-03-18 12:44

>>17
Do you understand the scale of Wikipedia? They operate clusters of computers with terabytes of text and media, which are accessed by everyone on the internet. Its not cheap.

Name: Anonymous 2010-03-18 12:44

>>24
I'm afraid you are confusing "using DWM" and "flying a plane into WTC".

Name: Anonymous 2010-03-18 12:57

Name: Anonymous 2010-03-18 13:15

>>28
You find irrelevant results-> thus subject is irrelevant.
The burden of proof is not on me. I mentioned my perception of the Google results as a funny curiosity, not trying to prove anything. I do not have to prove that dwm is not noteworthy, you have to prove that it is.

You are moving in the right direction. In fact, that list of sites would have probably been enough to "prove notability" in formal Wikipedia terms if freetards (oh, that's an insult, that means I'm wrong, let's pretend I've said "Freedom Loving Individuals") stopped Sticking it to the Man and for a minute and took time to read the WP:Notability. Because, you see, Wikipedia actually allows completely useless articles if they are well-sourced, e.g. if enough Freedom Loving Individuals have written external articles about dwm without, you know, actually using it. Or maybe not, I'm not going to waste my time checking how many of your links are genuine.

But since it turns out that we're "discussing why "notability" is a failed policy", the question still holds: how many users does dwm have, i.e. how notable it is by the common sense criterion?

Name: Anonymous 2010-03-18 13:16

>>27
But if I flew a plane into WTC (ignoring the fact they're dead and gone) then when they came round to my house I wouldn't be there cause I'd be dead. Get a grip man. Think this through.

Name: Anonymous 2010-03-18 13:22

>>29
Back to the trollopedia, please.

Name: Anonymous 2010-03-18 13:25

>how many users does dwm have, i.e. how notable it is by the common sense criterion?
This is the problem with notability: your article must win a popularity contest, and it must have the "right kind" of popularity(and highly dedicated defenders to fight deletionists).

Name: Anonymous 2010-03-18 13:29

Wikipedia is a free ency..Soviet Union is a free socialist republic.

Name: Anonymous 2010-03-18 13:53

I miss the time when there was information on the internet.

Name: Anonymous 2010-03-18 13:54

>>33
Its sad, but wikipedia is worse, Soviet Union can be toppled from the inside or defeated and replaced. Wikipedia owns your data, the servers and the Party is always right(since its their site).

Name: Anonymous 2010-03-18 13:57

Name: Anonymous 2010-03-18 14:03

>>32
It is a problem when it doesn't work.

It seems that in this case it does work exactly as intended, except the article would be deleted two-three weeks later, when everyone except dwm's five users (or am I being too generous here?) gets bored.

Because Wikipedia really doesn't need articles on every single piece of useless code ever written.

On an unrelated note: I just discovered something AMAZING http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Löb's_paradox

Name: Anonymous 2010-03-18 14:07

>Because Wikipedia really doesn't need[Subjective] articles on every single piece of useless[Subjective] code ever written.

Name: Anonymous 2010-03-18 14:21

"except the article would be deleted two-three weeks later, when everyone except dwm's five users (or am I being too generous here?) gets bored."
One day the people will finally get enough of your bureacracy, and Wikipedia will end(I will personally come to see the moment and I will enjoy it). People will start hundreds of their own wikipedias and your clusterfuck of policies will be enshrined in guides as "What not to do with wikis".

Name: Anonymous 2010-03-18 14:34

>>39
Wikipedia(and MS Windows) exists because its convenient and has a large userbase. You will not displace it, and neither a bunch of amateurs without corporate backing can displace it(As they lack money and servers).

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