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Extinction Event

Name: Anonymous 2010-01-21 22:24

It's kind of sad to watch Scheme, Python, and Perl self-destruct (and a pleasure to watch C++ go), but that doesn't mean we can't look forward to the future. What will take their place? Whose pet language will achieve widespread prominence? Perhaps Lisp will shake off the AI winter, or programmers will realize the value Haskell's Abstract Bullshite has. Or could it be something new?

Name: Anonymous 2010-01-22 19:02

>>25
I've had cl-monad-macros.lisp open in Emacs all day today, ever since that post.
>>24
They're very useful in Haskell and ML-likes, but I think their benefit is deminished in stateful, non-lazy languages. I have no trouble straightforwardly translating most monadic code into stateful code in Lisps and other eagerly evaluated, non-pure languages. Monads do offer interesting abstractions and ways to reason about certain things, so some people may prefer their style to directly using side-effects. Other features like lazyness of continuations may be translatable directly to more 'normal' constructs, but that doesn't deny that they are able to represent certain problems in a more clear, elegant way than the code which directly implements it. For example, I think most people will agree that in languages which support maps and lambdas, mapping over a list, vector or some general sequence is nicer conceptually than iterating over it and building a new list, vector, sequence by hand (or possibly overwriting the old one?) - in some cases if you wrote the implementation directly, you may have to change more code, but if you used maps, you could just change some mapcar to a map or map-into, depending on your true intentions, without having to bother changing the underlying code which transforms each element.

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