>>2
Oh yes, a package manager fixes all your problems...
...as long as all you want to run is whatever the idiot doing the packaging thought was good, and only as long as it meets the freedom requirements of the distro.
I can run nightly builds of whatever software in whatever version of my OS I want without having to install dozens of megabytes of shit and without compiling anything. Let's see you do that, though guy.
Still stuck running an ancient MPlayer rc2 build after having to add some extra repository? How many versions is that shitty Firefox fork Iceweasel/IceCat/whatever lagging behind right now for your "stable" distro?
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Anonymous2009-08-12 18:42
>>17 ...as long as all you want to run is whatever the idiot doing the packaging thought was good, and only as long as it meets the freedom requirements of the distro.
Since the discussion here is Linux vs Windows, what about run whatever microsoft thought was good and without any freedom?
>>18 You can still run whatever you want on Windows, nobody forces you to install anything you don't want, and if you have some x86 reverse engineering skills, you can pretty much change anything you want from proprietary products, as long as you don't care about the legalities of doing so. Most free software that matters also works or can be built or ported to Windows without too much effort.
I have no idea why people are having such problems with apt. But I really don't care, I'm not going to advocate it, it works for me, go use whatever works for you.
>>21
I've "mastered" Loonix just fine, any kind of retarded monkey can copy-paste commands, read long-as-fuck man pages and google shit.
It's just that it gets really old really fast.
Hint: Compiling stuff and goofing around with config files and such is not being clever or anything. It's just doing idiotic grunt work that is not necessary in the first place, as every successful software piece has proven again and again.
People like you are the reason Linux and friends have lost-in-noise market shares.
>>22
The only reason why things are "easy" in Windows is because somebody took the effort to make things easy. You can have the same thing done in Linux by finding someone to do the hard work for you.
>>22
You've never used Linux seriously. You don't have to compile anything more often than you do on Windows. You don't have to read man pages more often than you do on Windows. You don't have to touch config files more often than you do on Windows (and actually considerably less often, if you consider the Windows registry).
>>24
Have you ever even used Windows? These idiots claiming Windows is user-friendly are sheltered morons who've never seen a single alternative.
For the average user, something like Ubanto is a considerably better choice than any version of Windows. For more advanced users, it's ridiculous to even have the conversation.
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Anonymous2009-08-12 21:50
>>25
When people say user friendly, what they really mean is familiar. When people say intuitive, what they really mean is familiar. People that say Windows is user friendly really and Linux isn't really mean: I am familiar with Windows and not Linux and I cannot/will not find anyone to help me with Linux.
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Anonymous2009-08-12 21:59
>>26
This is exactly right, and also the reason most of the people arguing in favor of Windows are in that zone between complete beginners (who would favor something like OS X or Ubuntu) and moderately competent computer users (who'd be edging on their way towards Linux). It's always the ignorant who make the most noise.
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Anonymous2009-08-12 22:17
>>27
I'd like to add, when people say there are no programs on Linux, they really mean either of two things: I am ignorant of the political and technical aspects of computer software; I recognize the fact that I am choosing to be helpless to help myself instead, I am ready to give up my freedom to anybody that will write software that covers my requirements.
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Anonymous2009-08-12 23:36
Setup.exe are more work than ⌘Tab to the Finder, ⇧⌘A, then drag-and-drop the app bundle.
>>25 You've never used Linux seriously. You don't have to compile anything more often than you do on Windows. You don't have to read man pages more often than you do on Windows. You don't have to touch config files more often than you do on Windows (and actually considerably less often, if you consider the Windows registry).
Have you ever used Windows? Ever? I've never had to compile a single program on windows in my life. I've had to compile dozens on linux and it sucks ass. There are NO MAN PAGES YOU GNU FANBOY, nor config files. As for the Windows registry, you don't have to touch it at all.
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Anonymous2009-08-13 11:29
>I've never had to compile a single program on windows in my life.
Even when you write programs?
>As for the Windows registry, you don't have to touch it at all.
If fact you will have to patch it of you need to change settings not exposed by Control Panel(which is 95% of settings).
Plain and simple: Windows is for people that can't or don't want to understand the technology. It may as well be a Mac for all the differences in the UI.
Most Windows uses wouldn't know the difference if they had thin client running a Terminal Server/Citrix session. Simply because all most people do is run an app or two, get email, browse the web, and print.
People like them and >>32 just need a set top box and need to stay the fuck away from a real machine.
Better still use of a computer should require a license based on a rigorous competency exam.
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Anonymous2009-08-13 11:36
>>34
Why would I want to dick around in terminal if I want to check my email?
>>32,35
This is what Windows users actually believe.
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Delicious Copypasta2009-08-13 11:45
Back three years ago I was sure I'd never leave. Now, I was no kernel dev, but I found out what it was like to try. In the meantime I grew up, and realised there's two sides to Linux.
* The 'user' side, where you put up with limited, buggy and badly designed software, finding yourself grateful it even exists, and
* The 'dev' side, where your success is proportional to the thickness of your skin. Your willingness to sit there and listen to argue with some other twit whose age you guess at 13 over something you know isn't furthering your project one bit. Oh, and telling people who post "I'm leaving" threads on the forum how wrong they are about everything, and how little their contribution was really worth anyway.
Go and have a look at forums.gentoo.org, where you'll see both at work. I gave up too. For a long time I thought, through contributions and advocacy, I'd help Linux make some real headway in the Server and desktop market. Eventually I came to believe that it would never be big, it'd just mean more communities and more infighting and little real progress.
So I'm sorry, Alan. I'm really sorry, but you've made the right move. Thanks for everything.
>>39 you funny guy.
I haven't booted my Windows machine in over a year. It makes a nice doorstop. The wife and kids all use linux now, and have no issues with it.
Your Windows fanboyism is a failure. Go suck Steve Ballmer's cocks some more.