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Beginner programmer help.

Name: Portaljacker 2009-06-08 15:53

I've been teaching myself C for a little while and I plan to study programming in university. I was wondering what languages I should try next. I'd rather avoid web development if I can. I saw Microsoft's express books on VB and C# and was thinking of getting one of those. If you guys could suggest some books (titles, authors or publishers) that I could easily find in a book store like Borders (Chapters for me here in Canada though) I would greatly appreciate your help and someday I may be posting here a little bit wiser because of it.

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-09 14:05

>>37
different versions of C
I smirked ;-) (unless by ``versions'' you mean C99 etc.)

lol, C++ and C# aren't ``versions'' of C; they're different languages.
C++ was supposed to be C with objects (note: C with language support for objects, not object-oriented C), but it didn't really work out so well. It's an abomination of a language, with context-sensitive grammar and un-parseable syntax (though I'm jumping on the ``C++ hate'' bandwagon a bit, let the other /prog/-riders tell you all the specific flaws).
C# is Microsoft's Java, but fixed.

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-09 14:07

>>37
C++ looks like C in so many ways, but at the same time it's hugely different in terms of how you actually use it, so the syntactic similarities are about as relevant as those present in Perl or Javascript.

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-09 14:08

>>38
C# is object-oriented, newer, sane, etc.
Also, there's no ``better''. I would never choose C++ over C# when, say, creating a GUI application, but using C# in low-level or performance-critical applications is stupid (though in those cases you're better of with simple C and assembly anyway).

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-09 14:17

I write Caca apps using Objective-Sewer.

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Name: Anonymous 2009-06-09 14:21

>>43
C# is... newer...
This adjective means nothing wrt programming languages.

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-09 14:46

C++ looks like C in so many ways, but at the same time it's hugely different in terms of how you actually use it, so the syntactic similarities are about as relevant as those present in Lisp or Scheme.

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-09 15:16

>>28
Why, so one can write C with parenthesis? Common LISP is like a garbage dump for programming methods.
Don't be stupid.
A. C already has lots of parentheses, and more when you include braces and brackets.
B. Common Lisp is like a factory outlet for programming methods. Then newer languages shoplift them, damage them, and turn them into garbage.

Name: Portaljacker 2009-06-09 15:29

Anyone on my C question? And so far all I know is to read SICP and finish learning C... Btw, I'm using C for Dummies, and not the All-in-One Desk Reference. When I'm done that book will I have 'learnt' C?

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-09 15:30

>>48
IHBT

Name: Portaljacker 2009-06-09 15:33

Whoops, my bookmark only let me see the first 40 posts so I didn't see those responses. The responses are sort of helpful and I'm probably going to chose C# for now since I'll be forced to learn C++ in University anyway.
>>41
I know that isn't the word but it fit the best for what I was trying to say.

Name: Portaljacker 2009-06-09 15:47

For C# I plan on getting this book: http://bit.ly/108Mhh Any opinions?

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-09 15:50

>>51
Why do you even need to buy a book to learn a programming language.
C# is simple enough, with MSDN and various Visual Studio features like Intellisense or pressing F1 when your cursor is centered on an identifier.

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-09 15:50

>>48
Gtfo and read K&R. When needed, consult c-faq.com.

Name: Portaljacker 2009-06-10 0:14

I guess at this point I'll just finish the book and ask again then with details of what the most complicated things I've learnt. Thanks for all the help.

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-10 0:16

>>52
Good luck with Sepples without a book.

>>53
K&R encourages non-standard English style - e.g. "faggot quotes." This is considered harmful.

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-10 0:28

>>55
How dare you talk about “faggot quotes” when you're quotes aren't even properly matched?

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-10 0:29

>>56
To say nothing of the - trying to do the job of an —!

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-10 0:46

>>56
error: parse error on line 2, in adverbial clause: „when you are quotes are not even properly matched‟

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-10 0:52

>>58
Please consider updating your compiler.

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-10 1:21

>>59
No one said anything about compilers.

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-10 2:24

>>60
Oh, wow. You mean you're still running an interpreted English?

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-10 3:24

>>61
You mean you're still using hardware that's too slow to interpret English?

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-10 3:41

>>62
You probably program in Python.

Also, were you aware that you're attempting to sage on a text board?

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-10 3:42

>>63
Are you aware of the meaning of sage?

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-10 3:59

>>63
back to /pr/, please.
also, were you aware that you're attempting to bump the top thread on the board?

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-10 5:50

>>65
also, were you aware that you're attempting to bump the top thread on the board?
:3

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-10 6:06

bump

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-10 6:21

バンプing the top thread

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-10 7:07

>>64-65
Fuck, look what you've done.

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-10 11:29

OP, don't listen to /prog/. What you want is to learn a modern, rich, stylish programming language that you will use in the real world and that will be the de facto standard in the future: Ruby.

You'll want to check this out http://poignantguide.net/ruby/ ;)

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-10 11:39

>>70
Kon’nichi wa, Ruby
Kon’nichi wa
I stopped reading.

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-10 11:42

>>70
pray it's OSX
This only confirms my suspicion of Ruby fags.

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-10 11:53

>>71
You didn't stop reading if you actually quoted the ``Ruby'' too.

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-10 11:57

>>72
So if an application crashes, you lose the clipboard? What's that, Linux or something?

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-10 12:01

[quote]``Ruby'' too.[/quote]
[quote]Ruby[/quote]
I stopped reading.

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-10 12:03

>>75
I did that on purpose.

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-10 12:04

>>76
Did you? Then try quoting properly.

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-10 12:06

Did you? Then try quoting properly.
I'm a big kid now

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-10 12:09

>>78
You missed the ``>>77''.

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-10 15:19

>>75
`` ''
I stopped reading.
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