Python vs Ruby actually Django vs Mongrel

This is not which one is better but which one is easier for someone who has never approached this style of web application development before. I'm coming from a PHP and Perl background but I'm looking at jumping on the MVC bandwagon, the problem is that I'm not very familiar with either of these frameworks and was wondering which one is easier to get your head around. I've looked at starting guides for both and i'm equally lost for both.

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Maybe you (and 99.99999% of people like you) are doing something that wasn't orginally intended. HTML was originally intended as a language for documentation (such as reports) that was to be easily linked, and parsed.

I know that people evolve technology to fit their needs but I find that it's often better to design tools to fit your needs rather than hack functionality onto existing tools. I guess what I'm trying to say is that you people are just making things too complex simply because you have never learned anything more than superficial facts about your tools.