Fuck Java

Just when I thought I was rid of Java, I needed to use a component that is written in Java in an app. The thing is fucking huge, gets updated frequently and uses a dozen other micro-libraries. Re-writing it was not a fucking option. Setting up a Java environment on the server and performing out of process calls and redirecting the output was an option, but not a good one. Maybe like 4 people on this board would understand why.

Thank god I needed to do this in an ASP.Net. I took the jars, recompiled it for the .Net CLR using IKVM.Net and now I have totally in process calls to a native component that I can keep up to date with no effort. Some quick benchmarking revealed it was faster than the Java implementation.

So you can compile Java, PHP, Cold Fusion, Python, Ruby and some 40 other languages/frameworks to native .Net code that will run on Windows and Unix like systems. And write websites using a modern framework that handles shit like MVC without resorting to the ass backward ancient models like embedding code in markup like PHP.

Maybe enterprise isn't such a bad deal.

.Net code that will run on Windows and Unix like systems
Almost got me there. 4/10.

>>2
http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page

>>2

WTF are you doing on /prog/ and had no idea that Novel with help from MS has made an open source implementation of the .Net framework for Unix like systems.

Even MSes answer to Adobe's 30 browser plug-ins (Flash, Shockwave, Air, Authorware and on and on and on) works on Unix like systems.

Fucking shit eating morons pretending like they know what is going on on.

>>3
>>4

mono isn't .net

Nice try.

>>4
But does it run on Plan 9?

>>4
Enjoy your pieces of trash no-one wanted and is being foisted upon us by MS.

>>5

HAHAHAH DURRRRRRRRRRR

You have fun pretending to know what you are taking about? Cause we don't have fun reading your retarded shit.

.Net is the Windows only implementation of Microsoft's Common Language Runtime which is (and always has been) a published ISO and EMCA standard. Mono is the open source (for Loonix etc) implementation  of that same exact shit built by Novel with help from MS.

Mono is based on the same exact specs that .Net is. This is by design. And this open standard shit is directly from Microsft, the evil pass Go collect $200 "monopoly" for almost a decade now.

A shit head like you has no idea that the base run time source code is freely availble from MS along with all the library source code. And its free in the open source sense that all open source apps really fall under, which really is not free but who expects idiots like you to actuall read on open source contract and understand it.

If you knew even as much as you think you did, you could expect such an open development platform from the worlds largest software company that made its fucking start from making development platforms for multiple systems. MS is a lot more than just fucking Windows. And if Steve Jobs wasn't such a stupid fuck, maybe shit would have turned out in his favor. But back in the day, MS BASIC for Apple's platform was hot shit. IE used to be realsed for Windows, Mac and any POSIX system.

MS has one fucking credo, make their shit the industry standard. And they have done so being 10 steps a head of fags like you. The .Net initialive was made an open standard from the begining. It took Sun 5 (or so) years after that to finally open source Java just to compete because shit heads way smarter than you realized that .Net being more open than Java would mean its death.

But it was to little too late. Java can already be run perfectly on .Net because of the open sourcing of it. Java can't run .Net. Not because its is not an open standard, but because Java is old shit and is incredibly limited.

Go back to CS101 you drop out faggot.

>>8
I've got four letters for you:

YHBT

.Net is microsofts Java. Because they control the OS they can afford to integrate it more.

>>8
You wrote more than I'm going to so you don't have the right to reply with a single YHBT (>>9-kun, you are an idiot; please drown in a river).

.NET is not an open standard. Some part of .NET is open. Other part is not, and you can't implement .NET without that other part. Novell has an agreement with MS that MS won't sue Novell for patent infringement for implementing .NET, but that doesn't make it open.

Is mono really often used in unixes? You can't say that it works if it's not extensively used. You yourself are running your server on windows, aren't you?

Sure is Troll inherited from Thread.

>>11

#5 here, I win.

>>13
If the game is making /prog/ even more shitty, then, yes, congratulations.

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>>15
;_;

>>8
That isn't you, is it Ron? (hi.)

Give me a strongly typed, cross-platform language with garbage collection that makes it not too difficult to make most GUIs, and give me IDEs for this language that have powerful code browsing and almost flawless refactoring capabilities, and I'll be happy to switch.

>>18
C# and Visual Studio, now switch

Enterprise quality equaling shit is a meme.  Enterprise software is good commercial software for real people that have real jobs.

>>20
someone doesn't understand the correct usage of Enterprise Quality

>>19
Actually, Visual Studio makes GUI-building a real pain. It's best to avoid the Windows Forms designer, which will generate the most shitty code possible and the shittiest layout code possible¹. It will also fuck up at the slightest opportunity, especially when using custom controls, and also delete your event handlers without warning.

¹ Seriously, specifying control X and Y coordinates? What is this, 1995? .NET 2.0 added the Table and Split panels, which make better layout easier, but they're shitty and it's too little too late anyway. Also, Mono's support for those is very spotty.

And then there's WPF/XAML, which is a whole fresh new bloated pile of shit. But a shiny one. A shiny one which Mono don't even have any plans to implement.

>>20
Try using enterprise software sometime. It's mostly a constant facepalm.

>>18
Instant.EXE

>>19
Yet another case of a programmer not even reading the requirements.

>>22
What about Adobe Flex Builder and the MXML layout language

>>11

You are a fucking idiot with the reading comprehension of a 3 year old.

.Net isn't an open stardard. The CLI is. .Net and Mono are implementations of the CLI.

MSes deal with Novel does make it open faggot. Read an open source license. On second though, don't. You wouldn't understand a word of it.

>> 8 is a fucking retard. Mono is an incomplete, bad copy of .NET -- in the same sense that IE is an incomplete, bad copy of Firefox or Opera.

The Mono / .NET thing is just the same old Embrace, Extend and Extinguish from MS as ever, but with a twist.

You all fail.

Anyone that learns and uses .NET is an imbecile of the highest order.

The UNIX standard c library is the one true library.

>>1-

for (;;) {
    printf("trolls trolling ");
}

>>22
I never experienced any of the problems you did. You must be doing something wrong.

>>22
Compared to Java, though?

>>30
for(;;)printf("trolls trolling ");

>>33
OMG OPTIMIZED

>>33
Command on the same line as the control branch statement considered harmful

>>35
You considered unscientific

>>36
Science considered uncharismatic

>>33
for(;;)puts("trolls trolling ");

>>38
putStrLn $ cycle "trolls trolling "

main(){for(;;)puts("trolls trolling ");}
main=putStrLn$cycle "trolls trolling "