Updating your OS

How often do you /prog/rammers update your operating system? If you use Windows or Mac OS X, fuck off you aren't a programmer.

>>40
Enjoy your five supported pieces of hardware and your Fisherprice OS.

>>40
Textmate is a fucking piece of shit. People who use the mouse for text editing should be thrown into a fire.

Also, OS X is too dumbed down for a REAL programmer. There's not much customization possible and everyone charges money for their stupid little scripts. Have fun buying a graphical version of grep for $20.

>>42
Making your desktop look like shit makes you an EXPERT PROGRAMMER?

>>39
It's fucking ed. How much testing does it needs? Not to mention Debian people should really shut the fuck up and not mess with other people's code, at least Apple doesn't fucking break my openssl because ``valgrind was bitching''.

>>42
not much customization possible
What the hell do you want to customize? Do you think REAL programmers waste their time changing the color of their kernel panic message (actually, you can do this on OS X). It's a UNIX with a non-crap GUI with the bonus of being able to run proprietary applications.

everyone charges money for their stupid little scripts
This annoys me as well. Some idiot writes a shit GUI wrapper to do a couple of basic operations and puts a $9.99 tag on it. Solution: You don't need shit GUI applications. Most of those stupid little scripts are 10 lines in perl. For everything else, there's MacPorts (or fink, but Debian Stable is more recent than fink).

I agree with you on Textmate, though. I don't know what the hype is all about, it's just a completely normal text editor.

>>39
only came out August 21st
The maintainer is well aware it is out and has even backported a security fix.

isn't a high priority package
O RLY? http://packages.qa.debian.org/e/ed.html

Testing takes time
Program testing has already been done upstream. The only testing that might need to be done is for packaging.
So why don't they fucking put it in the testing or unstable repo if they're so god damn unsure.

>>44
OS X is broken in a lot of ways, for instance ptrace(): http://www.matasano.com/log/1100/
And how do you change the Aqua WM?

So why don't they fucking put it in the testing or unstable repo
The old ed(1) package manager had been AWOL for about a year, in the past week or so someone else has taken over the package.

non-crap GUI
the OS X GUI is crap.
how do i maximize a window?
how do i maximize a window horizontally or vertically while leaving the other dimension the same?
how do i resize a window from the top left corner? how about the top right corner? or the bottom left corner?
how do i make fonts not look like crap (bold and blurry all the time)? seriously guys, even microsoft's cleartype does better than that.

the bonus of being able to run proprietary applications.
that's the only reason i have linux installed, to run a proprietary application that only runs on solaris and linux (sun studio).
the fact that linux is a non-free open source operating system doesn't prevent anyone from releasing proprietary applications for it... sun studio, skype, opera, flash player, etc.

>>47
So you run a X server.
Faggot.

>>48
I see nothing in his post implying that he runs an X server.

only the omg optimized crowd runs a window manager not provided by gnome/kde

>>48
Once you lose OS X's fancy GUI, exactly what are the differences between it and any other Unix-like, except for the fact that it's slower and runs on less hardware?

>>49
Reading comprehension FAIL

>>50
You've never used xmonad, I take it?
I agree that people just using ``light-weight'' knock-offs of Metacity or KWin tend to be morons, but there are window managers that actually have advantages over the vanilla options.

>>47
You must meditate further before you reach enlightenment.

i guess thats why they call this forum random xD

>>48
i use windows vista, and linux in virtualbox.
i use the sun studio c compiler but not the crappy netbeans IDE.

>>56
i use windows vista
Faggot who sucks three horse cocks at once

>>55
\xD

>>57
faggot who sucks seven whale cocks at once

>>51
Once you remove all the command line software from linux, what remains but most unusable software on earth?
HEY LOOK ME TOO I CAN TOTALLY MISS THE POINT OF THINGS

>>57
OH HIA IM AN ELEITEST FAG IF YOU DON'T USE LINUX AND OPEN SOURSE SOFTWARE YOU SUCK LOLOLOLOL

>>61
>>57 is a macfag.
he uses inferior closed source software and is an elitist fag anyway.

>>60
haha, if you removed all the command-line tools from my machine, all you'd have left is the kernel and Firefox. Only faggots use GUIs _{that aren't a webbrowser}!!!!

>>63
the GIMP, too.
i usually use the command line but image editing is a little hard to do from the command line.

>>64
Imagemagick is more usable than GIMP. Even MSPAINT is.

>>64
I prefer Inkscape myself, but this isn't a "WHAT IMAGE EDITOR DO YOU USE?" thread. Oh, and I guess I've got gthumb sitting around too.

I use GUIs to have multiple terminal windows open.

>>67
screen

>>60
You suck at reading comprehension. I hope you realise this by now.

>>65
You say that as if you think it's insightful. It's obvious that something much more powerful will have a somewhat less intuitive interface than something that can do only a handful of things.
Say what you will about the GIMP, but at least its scripting engine uses Scheme.

>>69
That's not what I meant. Stabbing yourself in the nuts repeatedly is a more enjoyable experience than using the GIMP.
If you need serious graphics software, you use photoshop.
If you need batch processing, you use imagemagick.
If you want to crop a photograph and add a caption, you use paint.net, or even mspaint.
You never use the GIMP, no matter what.

If you need serious graphics software, you use photoshop.
Only if you have $700 to spend on software that won't do anything the GIMP won't do.

If you're going to spend money on graphics software, Paint Shop Pro is better, but I still don't think it's worth how much it costs.

That's where paint.net comes in.

>>72
It's a shame it's shit.

The Gimp keeps crashing my window manager, thus destroying my X session.

>>74
Maybe you should use a real window manager, then.

>>75
I am, obviously.

>>76
If an application can crash a window manager and an X session, it's not just the application that's at fault.

>>77
if a plugin can crash a browser, it's not just the plugin that's at fault. but mozilla doesn't fix bugs like that in firefox.
or if a module can crash a kernel, it's not just the module that's at fault. but linus doesn't fix bugs like that in the linux kernel.

>>78
Both of your examples are caused because of the design of both programs you cite. Google Chrome aims to solve the browser plugin problem by separating the browser into multiple processes, and microkernels have provided a model for building robust kernels for years. For Firefox/Linux to get fixed, they'll have to have major design changes.

>>79
>>76's problem is caused because of the design of the X server. For it to get fixed, the X server will have to have major design changes.
That still doesn't mean it shouldn't be fixed.