>>2
Why is it a bad thing? Don't we all indent our code? As a Haskellite, I can say that I have never chosen to drop the OIOC in favour of braces and semicolons.
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Anonymous2008-06-27 16:08
Don't we all indent our code?
This is the same sort of fallacious logic that destroyed all the civil liberties in the USA in the last 10 years.
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Anonymous2008-06-27 17:07
The Sussman deems it unscientific and ultimately destructive.
Indeed, one often hears arguments against building flexibility into an engineered system. For example, in the philosophy of the computer language Python it is claimed: “There should be one — and preferably only one — obvious way to do it.” Science does not usually proceed this way: In classical mechanics, for example, one can construct equations of motion using Newtonian vectoral mechanics, or using a Lagrangian or Hamiltonian variational formulation. In the cases where all three approaches are applicable they are equivalent, but each has its advantages in particular contexts. http://swiss.csail.mit.edu/classes/symbolic/spring07/readings/robust-systems.pdf
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Anonymous2008-06-27 20:52
Whenever I feel unsure of something, the SUSSMAN appears just in time to show me the light.
Thank you, Sussman.
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Anonymous2008-06-28 1:52
>>4
Yes, we all indent our code, but sometimes we indent it differently. For example, in scheme we might write a very small function on one line (if we even bother giving it a name). Which segues to the next point - lambdas in python are only allowed one expression, no full statements or control structures. Finally, Guido does not believe in optimizing tail calls in recursive functions1.
Recursion just looks so sexy in Haskell with pattern matching. It's not half as confusing as Scheme. It's equally stupid in Python. CL you use LOOP. Ruby you use ruby.language.control_structures.recursion.recurse. Nah, only joking, I never learned Ruby because Ruby is slow as fuck.
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Anonymous2008-06-28 5:23
>>11
Actually, the new version of Ruby is meant to contain some sort of optimized VM, making it's speed comparable to Python.
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Anonymous2008-06-28 5:32
>>12
so it'll only be slow as ass instead of slow as fuck?
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>>15,17
Stop fooling yourself. Most of those programs are only nominally written in Haskell. The actual language used mostly consists of Data.ByteString.Unsafe and !, and is generally about as pleasant and readable as optimized x86 assembly.
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Anonymous2008-06-28 11:55
>>19
I've read somewhere that those benchmarks were made strict because the lazy ones cut corners and didn't do the same amount work that their equivalents in, say, Java did, thus being unfairly faster. Allegedly the strictness was not introduced to gain speed, but to lose it.
>>21
I've read somewhere that those benchmarks were made strict because the lazy ones cut corners and didn't do the same amount work that their equivalents in, say, Java did, thus being unfairly faster. Allegedly the strictness was not introduced to gain speed, but to lose it.[1]
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Anonymous2008-06-28 14:29
Haskell is no where near C speed, don't lie to yourself.
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Anonymous2008-06-28 14:32
>>24
Haskell ran pretty fast, but still not fast enough that she could outrun the train... rest in peace, Haskell. You were our favorite singleton.
>>32
Any post or tutorial about Haskell should be publishable in a respectable math journal and require deep knowledge of everything from Lie algebra to topology to be understood.
NO EXCEPTIONS
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Anonymous2008-07-01 11:01
MZSCHEME IS FASTER THAN PYTHON
MZSCHEME IS ABOUT THE SPEED OF VISUALWORKS SMALLTALK
MZSCHEME, ALTHOUGH A PIECE OF SHIT, PUTS SHIT LIKE PYTHON, PERL, PHP, RUBY, SCALA, GROOVY, etc, TO SHAME>
FUCK YOUR SHIT LANGUAGE
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Anonymous2008-07-01 14:13
>>35
Python with Psyco is about the same speed of Visualworks too.