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Why are people so computer-illiterate?

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-06 8:52

I mean, today there are millions of people using their computer on a daily basis, yet they're all so fucking ignorant of how shit works. The average computer user doesn't know what a fucking programming language is, let alone how it works.

I was talking to a guy the other day who thought he had hacked his friend's MSN account. I asked how he went about this and he said he guessed his friend's secret password question. Then we had a long and fucking retarded argument about what hacking actually is.

Long story short: Why are people so fucking ignorant of a tool they use on a daily basis?

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-06 9:09

>>1
Abstraction. Learn it.

Stop whining until you know everything about physics, macroeconomics, structural engineering, vehicles, spatial planning, trading routes, chemistry etc.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-06 9:18

Hi, Do you like lisp? When I first stumbled into Lisp advocacy on various corners of the web I was already an EXPERT PROGRAMMER. At that point I had grokked what seemed at the time a wide range of programming languages. I was proud to have under my belt (Java, C, C++, C#, C-, FORTRAN, BBCODE, etc.) I was under impression that I knew EVERYTHING there is to know about programming languages, I had written HUGE PROGRAMS you couldn't even COMPREHEND at age 12. I couldn't have possibly been more wrong. My initial attempt to learn Lisp came to a crashing halt as soon as I saw some sample code. I suppose the same thought ran through my mind that ran through thousands of other minds who were ever in my shoes: "OMG WTF LOOKS SHIT WTF IS UP WITH THAT ())()))))(((() FUCK!!!!11111" I couldn't be bothered to learn a language if its creators couldn't be bothered to give it a BBCode like syntax. After all, I was almost blinded by the infamous suave space toad Lisp! For many months the Lisp advocates pressed on. I was baffled. Many extremely intelligent people I knew and had much respect for were praising Lisp with almost religious dedication. There had to be something there, something I couldn't afford not to get my hands on! Eventually my thirst for knowledge won me over. I took the plunge, bit the bullet, got my hands dirty, and began months of mind blending exercises. It was a journey on an endless lake of frustration, I am stupid fuck. I turned my mind inside out, rinsed it, and put it back in place. I went through seven rings of hell and came back.

And then I got it.

I KNOW LISP.
I AM SO SMART.
I AM SO EXPERT, NOW I KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT PROGRAMMMING, I DONT HAVE TO LEARN ANY OTHER LANGUAGE EVER.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-06 10:01

>>3
Mediocre LISP troll.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-06 10:52

>>1
They've got other things to worry about - like actually using their computers and leaving all the technical bits to the people that care about it. The only thing I care about is the mutilation of the word hacker to mean one that compromises electronic security measures in a malicious or otherwise annoying manner.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-06 10:58

I drive a car (actually I do not, because cars sucks). I don't give a flying Philadelphia fuck how the car works, it just does and I am happy. The car is broken, so I take it to a mechanic to have it repaired. He knows how it works, he has been learning it for some years. How cars work interest him, he likes tweaking, repairing them.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-06 11:26

>>6
But you do know how to drive a car. Most people can't even use their computer.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-06 11:30

>>6
I'm sure you still know roughly how an internal combustion engine works, right? I don't even drive (thank you Europe) and I get how, in a limited sense.

But nobody cares how a computer works. Which makes it very easy for some to hax anii.

>>5
Go back to bed, stallman.

but srsly

It pisses me the hell off when people play this >>5 "hackers" card. You weren't at MIT. You have no business trying to DEFEND HACKERS LOL, you're just an idiot. HAND.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-06 12:14

I drive a car (actually I do not, because cars sucks)
car sucks, cdr r00ls!1!!

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-06 13:44

>>5
But it is a correct and the most popular usage of the word "hacker".

OED to the rescue:

hacker, n. A person who uses his skill with computers to try to gain unauthorized access to computer files or networks. colloq.
  1983 Daily Tel. 3 Oct. 3/1 A hacker{em}computer jargon for an electronic eavesdropper who by-passes computer security systems{em}yesterday penetrated a confidential British Telecom message system being demonstrated live on BBC-TV.
  1985 U.S.A. Today 18 Oct. A1/4 A gang of 23 teen-age computer hackers has done ‘significant damage’ to Chase Manhattan Bank's records.
  1986 TeleLink Sept.-Oct. 25/2 Just for fun, the hackers decided to drop a few APBs (All Points Bulletins) into the local police computer, with the result that, when out driving in his car, he was repeatedly stopped.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-06 14:07

>>1
I take it you lost the long retarded argument.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-06 14:27

>>10
esr would like to have a word with u.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-06 15:02

>>10,12
esr:
hack

    [very common]

    1. n. Originally, a quick job that produces what is needed, but not well.

    2. n. An incredibly good, and perhaps very time-consuming, piece of work that produces exactly what is needed.

    3. vt. To bear emotionally or physically. “I can't hack this heat!”

    4. vt. To work on something (typically a program). In an immediate sense: “What are you doing?” “I'm hacking TECO.” In a general (time-extended) sense: “What do you do around here?” “I hack TECO.” More generally, “I hack foo” is roughly equivalent to “foo is my major interest (or project)”. “I hack solid-state physics.” See Hacking X for Y.

    5. vt. To pull a prank on. See sense 2 and hacker (sense 5).

    6. vi. To interact with a computer in a playful and exploratory rather than goal-directed way. “Whatcha up to?” “Oh, just hacking.”

    7. n. Short for hacker.

    8. See nethack.

    9. [MIT] v. To explore the basements, roof ledges, and steam tunnels of a large, institutional building, to the dismay of Physical Plant workers and (since this is usually performed at educational institutions) the Campus Police. This activity has been found to be eerily similar to playing adventure games such as Dungeons and Dragons and Zork. See also vadding.

    Constructions on this term abound. They include happy hacking (a farewell), how's hacking? (a friendly greeting among hackers) and hack, hack (a fairly content-free but friendly comment, often used as a temporary farewell). For more on this totipotent term see The Meaning of Hack. See also neat hack, real hack.

rms, too:
    This letter is not meant for publication, although you can publish it if you wish. It is meant specifically for you, the editor, not the public.

    I am a hacker. That is to say, I enjoy playing with computers — working with, learning about, and writing clever computer programs. I am not a cracker; I don't make a practice of breaking computer security.

    There's nothing shameful about the hacking I do. But when I tell people I am a hacker, people think I'm admitting something naughty — because newspapers such as yours misuse the word “hacker”, giving the impression that it means “security breaker” and nothing else. You are giving hackers a bad name.

    The saddest thing is that this problem is perpetuated deliberately. Your reporters know the difference between “hacker” and “security breaker”. They know how to make the distinction, but you don't let them! You insist on using “hacker” pejoratively. When reporters try to use another word, you change it. When reporters try to explain the other meanings, you cut it.

    Of course, you have a reason. You say that readers have become used to your insulting usage of “hacker”, so that you cannot change it now. Well, you can't undo past mistakes today; but that is no excuse to repeat them tomorrow.

    If I were what you call a “hacker”, at this point I would threaten to crack your computer and crash it. But I am a hacker, not a cracker. I don't do that kind of thing! I have enough computers to play with at home and at work; I don't need yours. Besides, it's not my way to respond to insults with violence. My response is this letter.

    You owe hackers an apology; but more than that, you owe us ordinary respect.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-06 15:14

6bis.  To interact with one's anus in a playful and exploratory rather than goal-directed way. “Whatcha up to?” “Oh, just hacking your anus.”

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-06 15:46

>>13
You fail. The Oxford English Dictionary is a more respected and impartial resource of word definitions than Stallman and Raymond.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-06 16:07

rms made UNICODE failure :(

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-06 16:08

>>15
Ultimately, all it reflects is whatever the mass opinion is at the time. RMS and ESR are good representatives of what hacking was at MIT in the 60's.

My view is, feel free to bitch about people stealing your word if you're an old-school MIT hacker. But if you aren't, shave your beard, you aren't Stallman.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-06 16:56

>>1
People also use refrigerators everyday, and they don't know how they work.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-06 17:13

>>17
But if you aren't, shave your beard, you aren't Stallman.
Do I have to take a shower too?

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-06 17:24

>>18
It's hard to misuse a refrigerator as long as you know what it does.

There's a reason why people need to get a license before they're allowed to drive.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-06 18:08

>>17
esr? Are you fucking kidding?
Stallman I'll buy as being the classical hacker archetype, but esr is just... no.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-06 18:18

>>21
ESR is a sub-intelligent hillbilly. You know, the kind that goes to inner-city computer stores and buys 386s to set up as servers all over his house, with cigarette smoke-stained 14" monitors piled high upon his kitchen table. He has no cooth and can't integrate himself into any social situation involving white collar executives without rambling into a tirade on gun rights or tanning roadkill.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-06 18:47

>>21
TBPH, I just put his name in because he was in previous posts. Is he the guy who wrote the open-source definition or am I totally off-target?

>>19
no.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-06 19:05

>>23
See >>22

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-06 19:28

>>17
I am >>5 and I used to be a gay hacker in the 70's. Now I am merely a happy geek. Stupid language evolution.

Name: /b/ 2008-06-06 20:30

>>25
lol gay

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-06 23:58

>>22
s/cooth/couth/

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-07 20:26

fuk u u not da boss of me fool i fukin do wat i want bicth fuk u nd u stupd computr i dun need dat shit i fuckin kill u

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-07 20:28

>>28
EXPERT NIGGER

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-07 20:32

>>22
cooth
5/10

Name: Anonymous 2009-03-06 6:13

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Name: Anonymous 2009-07-12 2:45

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Name: Anonymous 2009-07-12 2:45

>>32
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