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Name: Anonymous 2008-05-12 22:58

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.c++/browse_thread/thread/d4fadb500c1d39d9/c1ba6f6982cbf73b?lnk=raot#c1ba6f6982cbf73b

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-12 23:58

idiots arguing over stupid shit

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-13 0:27

>>2
/prog/ in a nutshell

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-13 0:39

>>3
NO U

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-13 0:49

>>1
/prog/ in civilized form minus the memes

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-13 1:02

>>3
I haven't seen much arguing in /prog/

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-13 1:24

>>6
I have, you faggot.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-13 14:23

>>1
Razii is a troll, and a very successful one.
Unless you are him OP, (in which case I congratulate you) gtfo.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-13 15:53

>>6
We used to have programming discussions.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-13 16:22

hax my anus

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-13 16:33

>>8
Razii is a troll, and a very successful one.
EXPLAIN YOURSELF OR YOUR ANUS WILL BE HAXED!

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-13 18:46

>>8
Or... maybe Java is just faster than C++?

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-13 18:56

>>12
Haha, nice.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-13 19:32

It's not a flame war. It's a discussion and testing. If you are not interesting in it, just move on to next thread.

EXPERT TROLL

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-13 20:08

>>10,11
gtfo

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-14 5:54

Meanwhile, my C program to read and sort lines of bible.txt runs in less than a millisecond. And it's bloody simple, any C programmer who knows what he's doing can get there with just the basic techniques and no libraries besides stdlib and POSIX <sys/time.h> for measuring.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-14 6:11

>>1,16
the right way to do it would be to use the time utility instead of timing only part of the program's execution. oh wait, javafags would really lose then because the VM takes 100 FUCKING MINUTES to start.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-14 6:24

I'm beginning to suspect that by default on Windows file I/O is unbuffered. Which is bloody stupid really, given >>16.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-14 8:02

>>18
FUCK YOU AND HAX YOUR ANUS

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-14 15:39

>>18
It can't be. All FILE streams are allocated a buffer in the first write unless specified with setvbuf.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-14 16:08

>>17
because the VM takes 100 FUCKING MINUTES to start.
this is simply false, and you're the type of stupid faggot that thinks that java is bad for this reason. go suck a cock you moron. fuck. if any of you had any brains you'd realize how much C sucks.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-14 23:25

Meanwhile, my C program to read and sort lines of bible.txt runs in less than a millisecond

LOL

3/10

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-14 23:28

>> 21
Well, the VM start time is significant, but if you're programming anything more complicated than a small console app, it shouldn't be too noticeable.

Choose the right tool for the job, etc.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-14 23:59

>>23
the program in the OP's link is a small console app.

Name: Razii 2008-05-15 7:53

Java > C/C++

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-15 8:07

>>25
This is true, but people are too caught up in baseless criticism to see this.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-15 9:49

>>26
I agree. Baseless criticism clouded my mind for a long time. Also, F# > C# > Java > C/C++.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-15 20:25

>>24
Right, and he only measured a segment of its running time, so the VM startup time doesn't enter into it at all. What were you trying to say?

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-15 22:33

This thread is pig disgusting.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-16 0:17

>>28
VM startup time is irrelevant.

If you have a long-running program, the startup time is dwarfed.
If you have a short-running program that is run once, it simply doesn't matter.
If you have a short-running program that is run multiple times, you just stream data through it, instead of starting/stopping processes, just like you do in C++ etc (also why makefile and such building SUCKS ASS compared to uber fast Java compiling of giant code trees in seconds)

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-16 7:40

That is what I was saying

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-16 7:47

>>30
imagine what it would be like if cat or grep took about 20 seconds (that's about how long the java VM startup time is on my computer) to start up every time you ran it.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-16 9:13

>>32
Then it'd be a service.  I do hate the notion of process boundaries and applications, though.  Like I said in >>30 , I fucking HATE compiling C++ because it always takes so goddamn long, spawning shitloads of processes for every single file, only to close and restart for the next one ad nauseum.

And I seriously doubt it takes 20 seconds to start, even on an older box.  MAYBE the very first time you invoke it, but the shit caches all over the place now.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-16 9:26

>>32
That's not a problem if you already have cat running.  Just add an option to take filenames line-by-line on stdin, then keep it open in another window.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-16 9:31

>>33
Agree.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-16 12:55

>>33-35
I'm sorry to inform you that 1TB RAM is not yet generally available, so running all programs on my computer in a JVM at the same time is not an option.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-16 13:29

>>36
RAM invention time is irrelevant.

If you have a long-running system, the development time is dwarfed.
If you have a short-running system that is used once, it simply doesn't matter.
If you have a short-running system that is used multiple times, you just stream machines out of the factory instead of designing/trashing blueprints, just like you do in architecture etc (also why skyscraper and such building SUCKS ASS compared to uber fast server compiling of giant hardware trees in seconds)

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-16 14:22

stream machines out of the factory
Go back to Design Patterns, please.

Name: Anonymous 2009-03-06 6:23

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