RMS Matthew Stallman Interview

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>>80
That's a very bad simile.
What the fuck don't you understand about "commercial companies and programmers should die?". I'm serious about it. ANYONE (or anything) who infringes my freedom should vanish.
Go code for MS code mon(k)ey.

>>81
>"commercial companies and programmers should die?".
You're denying my freedom to work for whoever I want. Why should your freedom be of more importance than mine? After all, I'm the one writing the real code and you're just the leeching fucking maggot wanting it all for free.

>>82
I changed it to vanish, but apparently not every occurance of die.
I realized it's a big word and that yes, I do deny your freedom by doing so.
So rather, everything that denies MY freedom should vanish.
Like, licenses, code, companies, etc. Not people.

I admit I was wrong about that. I'm all for freedom of speech.

After all, I'm the one writing the real code
You seem to have associated "real" with "give me your freedom". I don't know why, but you clearly need to do some thinking about it.
After all, all I want is my freedom and you're just the leeching fucking maggot demanding to take it away.
 

>>81
your denying my freedom to sell the software that a make?
should an artist be denied the freedom to sell his paintings?
should musicians be denied the freedom to sell their music?

your denying my freedom to sell the software that a make?
Have you read GPL? It allows you to do so.
should an artist be denied the freedom to sell his paintings?
Yes, if it infringes one of the 4 freedoms. But as it stands, it does not, so, no, an artist should not be denied that.
should musicians be denied the freedom to sell their music?
Ditto.

Please read GPL and what stallman has to say before you critisize them. As for me, I accept that I am a nutter and quite possibly wrong about a lot of things.

>>85
according to the GPL i wouldn't be allowed to paint and sell a picture of a building that was not constructed by me

Dear GPL supporters,

Grow up and let the adults talk. When you go out and get a real job in the real world, maybe one day you'll realise just how silly this all is.

Face it, guys, RMS is just stealing your work and getting you to pay him for giving speeches about nonsense. You're being scammed.


You can sit here and scream about how evil closed-source software is, but the fact of the matter is this: Without companies like IBM and Microsoft, there would be no computer industry at all. You wouldn't have your cheap computers and you wouldn't be able to write your free (as in shackled) software at all.

>>86
Again, bad simile and not true anyway.
>>87
Dear Ignorant brainwashed faggot,
choke on a wall of dicks.
Sincerely yours.

The GPL makes me cum hard

>>88
Real mature. Remember what I said about growing up? Yeah. Directed at you.

Prove me wrong. "Evil" corporations like IBM and MS are responsible for the entire existence of the computer industry. Without them, you wouldn't be able to have your cheap little box that you program loonix on, because without software driving sales, no one would have wanted computer hardware, and no company would have even bothered making hardware if there wasn't a profitable market to enter.

Go around and claim they're evil all you want, but face the facts. They're responsible for the existence of the computing industry.

Trying to destroy that industry with your GPL nonsense is simply foolish quixoticism.

>>90
Yep, agreed on the first part. Without IBM earlier, MS later, there would be no real computers now indeed. But, you see, they've done their stuff. They laid the foundations, now it's time to improve what they've done. Big corporations have the means to get things going, but it's not hard to join an already started project. That's when GNU kicks in, with programmers that have the time to be bothered with minor issues. And yes, a mass of programmers concerned with minor issues improves stuff over time.

But thanks anyway, I'll remember to say hi to the first lizard I see for you -- we evolved from these after all!

fuck the industry.

>>90
I have no qualms with proprietary software, but there's nothing wrong with free software either. This whole "BAWWW, THE GPL KILLS BUSINESSES" thing is bullshit. If your software is better than the free alternative, it will never die. The GIMP will never replace Photoshop. Ever.

Also, what about proprietary freeware, dipshit? Making Netscape and IE free made it so no one else could (successfully) charge for a non-mobile web browser. Microsoft fucked Netscape over and killed their revenue by giving away IIS. Windows Media Player being free and bundled killed Real (thanks God). IBM successfully made it so no one else could charge for a Java IDE by funding Eclipse.

Newsflash: Your "Evil" corporations like IBM and MS are "destroying" the computer industry as much as the GPL is.

Making some things free is necessary for the computer software industry to thrive, who the fuck is going to pay for all the libraries installed on their system? Why should a hobbyist programmer pay for a compiler? Why should I pay for something easy to implement that would take me a day to write?

>>93
I'm the GPL fag, well said.
It's a shame I have a hard time expressing what I'm trying to say.

i have nothing against free software, but GPL software is just as bad as any commercial software and RMS is a blatant hypocrite

>>93
"I have no qualms with proprietary software, but there's nothing wrong with free software either. This whole "BAWWW, THE GPL KILLS BUSINESSES" thing is bullshit. If your software is better than the free alternative, it will never die. The GIMP will never replace Photoshop. Ever."

While that is true, you're neglecting the effect it has on small companies.

We had a freetard manager come in last year and insist to management that we're paying MS far too much money for development tools. He showed them a bunch of spreadsheets, and on paper, obviously, "free" is going to look a shitload better than commercial software. So management bought into it, hook, line and sinker.

Fast forward a few months. We ditched all of our MS servers and workstations, replaced them with loonix.

Around 80% of the company could figure out how to do anything. Loonix is designed by and for hackers, and was never meant to be used by the average joe. Within 2 months, 40% of the support department had quit because they couldn't stand the environment. It took them 10x longer to do anything, and management gave them all negative reviews because of lower productivity.

Our computers kept crashing. We couldn't find proper drivers for most things. Our IT department's ticket queue length went from an average 4 hours to get to a ticket to over a week. It's still increasing. Any ticket I submit now will take at least 10 days to be even looked at.


Then the real problems kicked in. We previously paid vendors such as ComponentArt and Infragistics for our UI libraries. Freetard managed to convince management to use GPL'd libraries instead. In our code. I objected strenuously, but what do I know, I'm just a mere developer. In managements' eyes, Dollars were at stake. Lots of Dollars.

So we spent 3 months integrating tons of GPL shit into our code, and THEN management finally realises that it's too late now... we have to completely abandon 3 months of work, or give out our source code.

Naturally, we chose to abandon 3 months of work. And lay off 10% of the staff due to the contracts we missed because of this.

Luckily, Freetard was one of the ones fired.

But, GPLTards, I hope you feel happy about putting hardworking honest people out on the street simply because you have fucked up ideas of what freedom is.

>>96
True story.

While that is true, you're neglecting the effect it has on small companies.
Big companies have a worse effect on small companies.
Around 80% of the company could figure out how to do anything.
While you're at it, learn English.
Loonix is designed by and for hackers, and was never meant to be used by the average joe.
No, linux is a better server than MS products, and it was meant to be used (as a server) by system administrators. If you don't have those, it's your companies problem for hiring idiots.
Within 2 months, 40% of the support department had quit because they couldn't stand the environment.
40% of your support department was clueless people that did not deserve the job they had. Success!
Our computers kept crashing.
A computer does not crash, a program crashes. I doubt the linux kernel crashed. You probably call "crash" all that text on the terminal that you cannot understand.
We couldn't find proper drivers for most things.
Like? What kinda drivers does a god damn server need?
But, GPLTards, I hope you feel happy about putting hardworking honest people out on the street simply because you have fucked up ideas of what freedom is.
I don't think these people that got fired where honest in their job interview, else they'd know how to administrate a server.

>>98
incompetent or liars because they were employed as windows tech support\administrators and don't know how to use lunix? just because you use lunoox, doesn't mean everyone else does.

imagine you are employed as a java developer or somesuch. then oneday your boss decides that java sucks and everything should be done in perl. does it mean you are incompetent because you have never programmed in perl and have no idea how to do anything in it?

you are an ignorant faggot
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>>99

Yes. Perl and Java are Touring complete.

incompetent or liars because they were employed as windows tech support\administrators and don't know how to use lunix? just because you use lunoox, doesn't mean everyone else does.
Then obviously the manager was a retard, and anyone who accepted to install linux while clearly nobody had a clue about linux was a retard too. It has nothing to do with GPL.

imagine you are employed as a java developer or somesuch. then oneday your boss decides that java sucks and everything should be done in perl. does it mean you are incompetent because you have never programmed in perl and have no idea how to do anything in it?
Well if my boss decides that, then I'm either fucked or I have to learn perl.
Too bad learning perl shouldn't take more than 5 to 10 days, if you already know a language such as java. (which sucks)
It's true your manager did a major mistake suggesting linux since all the employees where windows tech support/admins. I mean that's an obvious and blatant mistake.

gtfo

gtfo

gtfo

>>102-104
Not me, I would not sage such discussion.

>>102-104
Are me, I would sage such discussion.

>>106
I don't deny that. That's because you prefer all the ascii/etc faggotry than a meaningful discussion.
I'm going to browse /prog/ 20 hours a day saging every god damn troll post. your little game is fucked

>>107
That's great. But we've got perseverance.

>>108
Is not >>106, but I am glad there are more quality posters at this board left.

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>>101
"It's true your manager did a major mistake suggesting linux since all the employees where windows tech support/admins. I mean that's an obvious and blatant mistake."


That's my point. GNU types go around shouting at the top of their lungs that GNU is quality and free.

1) it's not quality. Not in any sense of the word. I've not yet found a large scale GNU project that is consistent in its programming style or architecture choices. They're passed around through so many different developers who each have their own ways of doing things that you end up with an unmaintainable mess.

2) it's not free. Not only does it cost far more money in the long run to support because the programs interfaces are entirely inconsistent (see #1. 500 developers each had their own ways of making an interface, and therefore almost every app has a ridiculous mishmash of clashing UI themes), but it isn't even free in the idealogical sense either, since it removes the freedom that developers have to do what they want with their own code.


GPL is a scam perpetrated by sub-par hackers who want to benefit from what competent developers write without having to pay for it.

>>111
that's all false so..
I mean, who the fuck doesn't use libgmp or ncurses?
Or gtk? or SDL? are you fucking retarded?

>>111
two words, gcc, thread over

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gtfo

If only money never existed...

>>111
So basically, because you had a bad experience with a retarded manager that forced inappropriate software that no one knew how to use properly down the throats of everyone in the company, all GPL'd software must suck. Good game, you're at the level of the 13 year old boys who scream "M$ SUX, GNAA/LUNIX 4EVAH" when they get a blue screen.

The freedom that RMS refers to is about the liberty to help yourself and cooperate with your community so that the user can live in freedom. Proprietary software is designed to make people helpless and divide communities; helpless as they have no right to the code and divided as they have no right to share the program with their communities.

If you have all four freedoms of free software, you can remain autonomous and free as proprietary software is designed to make people helpless and divided.

>>81,116,
There is nothing wrong with selling free software and making money from free software.

All this came about just because RMS is rubbish at reverse engineering things, and couldn't be bothered to invest the time in learning to do it effectively and develop helpful tools to do so.

>>119
wat
RMS developed gcc, emacs and gdb. what the fuck are you talking about lol