There was an interview with richard stallman in New Scientist this week.
Interviewer: don't some companies go out of buisness because of the gpl?
stallman: I don't care.
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Anonymous2008-04-16 17:17
RMS can suck my balls.
As long as I live I'll never use GPL'd software. Even if I didn't wholeheartedly disagree with their entire philosophy, I still wouldn't use it, if not for the simple fact that almost all GPL'd code is shite.
Thousands of monkeys who aren't good enough to get jobs where they get paid to write code are the people making GPL software. Yeah, they're so bad at code that they decide to write it for free. And of course there's no such thing as standards, or design. It's entirely "Hack it until it works!". You have 50,000 subpar programmers each hacking the application to put their little pet features into it.
Face it guys, it's never going to work in the long run. The only reason it's gotten this far is simply because you have thousands of monkeys working on it at once, simply to make up for the fact that it takes 50x longer to do anything in GPL'd software than in properly architected designs.
Think about this. Why does Open Office suck so badly? Because word processing is BORING as hell. NO ONE wakes up and says "OH BOY! I THINK I'LL MAKE A WORD PROCESSOR TODAY!". The ONLY motivation an OO developer has is "I'M GONNA FUCKING KILL MICROSOFT TODAY. CRY HAVOK AND LET LOOSE THE DOGS OF WAR. YOU WILL RUE THE DAY YOU EVER MADE SOFTWARE, MICRO$OFT! YES! I USED A DOLLAR SIGN INSTEAD OF AN 'S', SEE HOW CLEVERLY CLEVER I AM?! YOU ARE NO MATCH FOR MY WITS, BILL GATES!!!!". So you get a whole bunch of loonies, working for free, whose only purpose is to piss off Microsoft, and none of them can possibly say they actually enjoy what they're working on.
Meanwhile, Microsoft is out there going "Gosh, we need money. Let's make some new features. And pay our devs money, because hey, no one would possibly be dumb enough to want to make a word processor for free.".
I so totally forgot where I was going with this. Bottom line, Fuck RMS. Fuck him up his stupid ass.
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Anonymous2008-04-16 18:08
>>42 Exactly. I mean, it's not like anyone ever went out of business selling closed-source software.
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Anonymous2008-04-16 18:08
As long as I live I'll never use GPL'd software.
Shiichan is licensed under the GPL. Please stop posting.
I think RMS is too radical, but that line of thought is fucking stupid as well.
>>15
BS. GPL has nothing to do with freedom. If the license fucking tells you what machines you can and can't use it on (ie: Tivo and GPL3), that is the antithesis of freedom.
Freedom is FREE.
BSD = free.
GPL = shackles.
Just because you keep calling it "free" doesn't make it so.
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Anonymous2008-04-16 18:54
>>49
It's supposed to ensure a particular kind of freedom by restricting another. Of course it's about freedom.
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Anonymous2008-04-16 19:17
>>49
Four actions that you can practise with free software is the four liberties that RMS has defined. Another action that you can practise (with liberally licensed free software) is to subjuate users into helplessness and division. When a proprietor chooses to deprive other people of any of the four essential freedoms, nobody can say that the recipient is free; that recipient has relinquished their right to help themself and cooperate with their community; they may be free to reject the proprietary program at a later point, but that doesn't make them free before the rejection point.
A GPLd program will guarantee that all users have the right to practise the four freedoms; all users are guaranteed to have the liberty to help themselves and cooperate with their communities. The GPL achieves this by removing the power to deprive users of any of the four essential freedoms.
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Anonymous2008-04-16 19:33
hax my anus, you faggots
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Anonymous2008-04-16 21:15
>>49
Wrong. The GPL3 doesn't say that. It says that you should give users the "keys" so that they can remove any technical shackles that will prevent the user from running that GPL program.
Truly free software is software which the writer is FREE to do with whatever he wants. This includes NOT BEING FORCED TO GIVE IT OUT TO MOOCHING WANKERS LIKE GPLTARDS.
What don't you get about the word "free"?
You can't fucking define 4 random freedoms and proclaim that those are the only freedoms that matter.
If GPL was free (as in FREE), then I would be free to modify a GPL program, sell it, and not be forced to give out the code. But I'm not. Because the GPL isn't actually free.
So stop repeating the lie that GPL is free. It's not. Any moron can see that. Christ, you GPLTards are worse than fucking Communist China.
"TIBET DOESN'T WANT THE DALAI LAMA TO SAVE IT. WE HAVE PROOF: THERE ARE NO MURALS OR PICTURES OF THE DALAI LAMA DISPLAYED PUBLICLY IN ALL OF CHINA"
NO SHIT TURDSTRANGLERS. YOU OUTLAWED PICTURES OF THE DALAI LAMA UNDER PENALTY OF DEATH.
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Anonymous2008-04-16 23:06
I just want to say that the GPL killed my sister. It was rather tragic, and I must say, I do harbour some resentment and ill-will towards the GPL as a result of that event.
Not that it will ever result in my performing any overt action against the GPL, for I am more of a passivist than an activist, but I just wanted to spread the word that the GPL isn't as free as some people would like you to believe.
The GPL is definitely not free. My sister paid for the GPL... with her life.
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Anonymous2008-04-16 23:14
If you want to be correct, only code released in the public domain is free. Anything with licensing requirements is less free.
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Anonymous2008-04-16 23:49
Your ideas about freedoms are socially irresponsible. If you can't enforce them, they might as well not exist.
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Anonymous2008-04-17 3:18
----a commercial companies take on opensauce----
GPL: i might consider using this if i didn't have to fag up my whole project by putting some lame ass hippy license on it.
freeBSD license: oh shi... i can do whatever i want with this, ofcourse i'll use it. wow, using that code was a real time saver. maybe opensauce software is actually a good idea, i'll make a point to find out more about it. maybe one day i might even contribute to a project or host an opensauce project.
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Anonymous2008-04-17 4:25
>>60
True. And this is where the anoncoreutils will be.
GPL is just like a regular commercial license, except that it restricts in a different manner.
>>63
You're a fucking faggot.
Get this through your thick skull you fucking dumbshit:
ANONCOREUTILS WILL WORK ONLY ON YOUR UBANTO AND WILL POTENTIALLY HAVE A MILLION BUGS. YOU FUCKING DUMBSHIT UNEXPERIENCED SHITHEAD.
----a commercial companies take on opensauce----
No, commercial companies should simply fuck off and vanish.
I agree with RMS 100%.
He is extreme, I'm fucking extreme. Want to write commercial code? You deserve to die. You want to abuse one of my freedoms? You deserve to die. It's that simple.
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Anonymous2008-04-17 7:32
>>65
i lol'd hard.
your either a troll or really really stupid...
who do you think 90% of people who can write code are?
programmers or students studying computers and programming.
if there are no commercial companies then thats 90% of your developers gone. and ofcourse, since noone would be writing code anymore, then no new hardware will be created to run the code.
therefore your pathetic FSF is completely self destructive and destined to fail miserably.
>>66 who do you think 90% of people who can write code are?
How would I know? programmers or students studying computers and programming.
And you know that, how?
Also, are you aware that 90% of the programmers out there are really REALLY REALLY BAD at what they are doing? And that 90% of the code out there is REALLY REALLY REALLY BAD at what it does?
Do you understand a HUGE company like Microsoft had to copy BSD's implementation of sockets? Why? Why would a huge company copy the code of a small group of people? Maybe because money doesn't make the programmer.
DO youi realize apple fucking uses the WHOLE FUCKING UNIX KERNEL AS IS AND SELLS YOU THAT SHIT
YOU ARE A FUCKING FAGGOT MOTHERFUCKER
So, first year college, faggot?
Do you have any fucking idea how people get paid? You think ubanto developers don't get paid? How the fuck do they maintain a fucking OS and a ufcking website which gets huge traffic?
PROTIP: sponsors.
Same for gnu.org and other websites. Sure, you won't become a millionare like Mr Gates, but you get what you deserve for spending time on code.
>>68
Arguably, Apple has put a lot of work into the original 4.4BSD kernel, in addition to writing what is presumably their own original window manager and all that flashy wank.
Really, I think open sores is good and all, but ultimately I'm a BSD fag and don't give a living shit what you do with my code. I write code for myself. If you want to use it, fine. If you want to make it available for others that's fine too. But who the fuck am I to tell you what not to do with material that I'm voluntarily putting into the public domain?
>>68
i cant stop laughing. seriously!
go suck RMS stallmans tiny GNU penis.
FSF can never do any good, only halt technological progress.
that viral licensing bullshit makes them just as bad as any proprietary software company
>>76
Those that don't, allow you to use licenses that do, and as a result, they also do.
So there are no licenses that "don't" except for those that restrict you from being compatible with licenses that do.
So far there's only GPL that does that, therefore GPL is truly free.
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Anonymous2008-04-17 8:45
>>75
If total freedom means being part of some little treehouse circle-jerk club, you can keep it.
The real world does not work like that. People co-operate with and help each other because that's how progress is made.
>>78 The real world does not work like that.
Then the real world doesn't like me to be free. fuck the real world.
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Anonymous2008-04-17 8:50
GPL isn't free. its just a loan.
you don't give a gift and say "here, this is yours now. but you can only use it the way that i tell you and you can't give it away without my permission and without following these rules.."
when you give a gift you say, "here. this is yours now, so you can do anything you want with it".