just by the (), i don't think it necessarily has to be electrical, just engineering in general vs. the IT industry.
idk, does outsourcing effect EE all that much? I've heard the unemployment rate of IT professionals was around 2-4%, so maybe outsourcing isn't as big of a deal as originally thought (a.k.a. only taking the shit jobs, thus taking the retards out of the job market but not anyone who actually knows wtf they're doing)?
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Anonymous2008-02-05 13:11
Electrical engineering stopped being more interesting than computer science in 1930.
Then you don't feel strongly enough about either, and the choice is arbitrary.
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Anonymous2008-02-05 18:33
EE = hardware stuff
CS = software stuff
I don't know what exactly goes into an EE degree but I do know that students take a few Physics courses along with a few calculus courses and I know one of my EE friends is in thermodynamics now. Its not an easy degree by any means.
CS has a LOT of theory crap that's extremely boring + software engineering (boring) + lots and LOTS of writing code (at least at my school). However, the variation of real-world projects is pretty exciting. You could work on anything from web browsers to web development, from Windows to *nix, from folding@home to Counter-Strike, etc. A CS degree opens up LOTS of doors across all industries.
Really? I thought those were the jobs getting outsourced?
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Anonymous2008-02-05 21:06
from what i can see, software development/engineering is pretty much fucked over by india/china
what is actually safe in the industry, other than info security?
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Anonymous2008-02-06 20:08
Is EE as resistant to Outsourcing as I've heard? It certainly helps that its more difficult than CS, and that most EE's i've seen can program better then many CS grads
>>19
Info security experts are typically in eastern Europe and Russia. They sell their work to the highest bidder, which could be American security firms or spammers.
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Anonymous2008-02-06 23:15
Definitely EE.
Might actually land you some interesting low level programming jobs which CS faggots cannot do because they lack clue about hardware.
(Funny thing is, the most interesting high level things aren't done by CS faggots either, but by mathematicians and such. CS people are really just worthless monkeys.)
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Anonymous2008-02-06 23:26
>>25
It seems that CS programs consist of three groups of people: those who will soon realize CS isn't for them and switch, the aforementioned worthless monkeys, and then maybe two people who are just there for the piece of paper and are aghast at said monkeys. I swear, CS programs are full of subhumans. Bunch of weird looking, stupid as hell fuckers.
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Anonymous2008-02-06 23:51
You can do low-level programming with a CS background as long as you have a good grasp on cpu architecture and computer organization. Likewise, good hardware designers are pretty aware of distributed protocols and algorithms, since modern processors implement dynamic code optimizations to increase parallelism, and the modern systems design process often involves moving logic back and forth between hardware and software.
A lot of the really good people I work with have a bachelors in EE and a masters in CS.
I'm currently in it for the paper, considering dropping(acid). Man these kids are complete fucking failures.
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Anonymous2008-02-07 6:47
For low-level programming: Should I look for actual CS jobs that require it (compiler writing, operating systems), or look for EE jobs that are more focused on programming like Embedded Systems, or something else?
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Anonymous2008-02-07 9:14
>>28
i've been considering acid as a way to enhance and make progress in my life. i'm worried it will dredge up some deep dark suppressed grief and anger and stuff though and i'll freak out.
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Anonymous2008-02-07 9:26
>>30
If you worry that already, then you've practically guaranteed that that's what the acid will do.
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Anonymous2008-02-07 9:46
>>31
well thats what happened when i did haiwaiin baby woodroses
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Anonymous2008-02-07 13:42
>>31
Not really, I always have some sort of minor anxiety prior a trip. I think it might be good as you're not being naive and think that psychedelics are foolproof tools of happiness. It's the people who are overly positive and never even heard of bad trips that get caught in the fear to my experience. Considering a proper mixture of both cases is probably the best mindset. If you feel overwhelmingly anxious though I think you should wait, but not procrastinate more than necessary.
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Anonymous2008-02-07 14:57
>>32
You remind me of this guy I used to know at university, who would smugly sit in the bar each night with his palmtop computer, writing crap fiction about the lands of elves and dwarves, sipping his cans of Fanta while trying to chat up the barmaid who hated him. He'd stand near her room late at night looking into the window to catch a glimpse. He fat, nerdy form reeked of body odour (he would leave smell trails around the computer science department, which was malodorous anyway) and was pig disgusting.
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Anonymous2008-09-19 23:52
>>8
algorithms, proofs, natural language processing (linguistics), computer graphics (linear algebra), artificial intelligence, cryptography (number theory)....yeah I guess its mostly math...Definitely not a science :p
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Anonymous2008-09-20 0:04
For what it's worth, The Sussman is a professor of electrical engineering.
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Anonymous2008-09-20 4:58
EE: You keep using that word. I donna thinka it means what you thinka it means.
Computer Engineering is the degree for designing chips and shit. Electrical Engineering is way more focused on analog electronics.
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Anonymous2008-09-20 10:07
>>35
You're thinking of Ocaml. ATS is for real work.