Is C dead?

http://freeshells.ch/~revence/no-c.txt

Your thoughts on the above?

C has reached its end of life. It's not that it was bad; it served a purpose, but the circumstances under which it was useful are over, and C doesn't have a place among the new dynamic languages. Language fanboyism can't rule over practicality and productivity, and you'd have to be stupid to develop anything in C anymore, either commercially (you're wasting money) or personally (you're wasting time); that's why nobody ever cares for C anymore. You don't even have job offerings to do C. It's dead, Jim.

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C is definitely not dead in general. Some problem domains, it is true you will not find much C. Think web applications or maintenance scripts.

I will still write my web-app in PHP or perl and not C. That is not because C sux and i as l33t, but because I want to get my job done fast, runtime is not a issue its under a sec. On the other hand the language recognition (compiler),  I will write it in C++ (sort of C), because in Java it would suck ass. People do not want to wait long for their task to complete and there is a difference between 10 min or 3.

I must say though, that there is a shift from C to C++ as THE low level language. But still most VMs are written in C.

C is a fucking systems programming language.  Using it for application development is the pinnacle of insanity.

>>44
Guess that's why it's used for most applications in the real world, right faggot?

Seems you're just another toy language failure who thinks he can program because he wrote a function to calculate Pi in Haskell.

>>43
C and AJAX

>>44
Truth

>>45
Guess that's why it's used for most applications in the real world, right faggot?
Because the world is full of teens who write starfield simulators in their spare time and want it OMG OPTIMIZED.

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No it's not dead and stop claiming it is, this whole discussion is about as meaningful as casual sex with that one fat chick you picked up on a sunday night because it was the only thing you could get and you haven't had sex in weeks or months.

>>47
YHBT YHL HAND

#include <math.h>
#include <stdio.h>

int factor(int num,int* factors){
 int n=num,i,l=0;
 if(num<2)return 0;
 for(i=2;i<=num/2;++i){
  while(!(n%i)){
   n/=i;
   factors[l++]=i;
  }
 }
 if(!l){
  l=1;factors[0]=num;
 }
 return l;
}

int main(){
 int n,i,l=0;
 for(;;){
  scanf("%d",&n);
  if(feof(stdin))return 0;
  i=n;while(i>>=1)++l;
  int factors[l];
  int num_factors=factor(n,factors);
  printf("%d has %d prime factor%s: ",n,num_factors,(num_factors-1)?"s":"");
  for(i=0;i<num_factors;++i)printf("%d ",factors[i]);
  putchar('\n');
 }
}

Guess that's why it's used for most applications in the real world, right faggot?
Someone here hasn't hit the workforce yet.

It's C++ and Java, brat. OSS isn't "most applications in the real world", it's some.

>>50
OSS is most applications in the real world.

>>51
Only on the server side. Desktop or embedded is a figment of imagination.

>>50
the world is bigger than the x86, look like you havent either

C++ has much wider use than Java at the moment, most applications, including games and misc libraries and graphic packages are written in mainly C++ with C core

Java are fags work, the type that you use for a enterprise customer relations package, and even then its probably only for RAD the GUI

those two dont make up "most" of the application in use, just most application the average moron PC user do

not to mention research projects are often quick and dirty in lisp/python/perl

military machines using Ada

banks and their 1960s COBOL software

FORTRAN in research institutes, for massive parallel calculations and for application that has to do with other research topics

assembly for hardware manufacturers and those that implement device drivers/firmware and for the OS a small amount, also compilers and libraries

prolog and misc others for AI

haskell for god knows what

etc.

just because most of these software isnt avaliable to the average user doesnt mean they dont exist

RISC -> C's bitch

I'm sick of this "just get more ram!" bullshit. My 286 did almost as much functionality-wise as my current multi-ghz machine. Yeah, really. Sure, there was no multi-tasking, but I did the mostly the same things as I do today.
Hello, fuckers, just because you can eat ram doesn't mean you should. It costs money and also reduces the number of programs you can run.
I can see it now: in another ten years programs will have minimum footprint of 1GB, but they'll just do more of the same

>>54
Wirth's law: Software gets slower faster than hardware gets faster.

>>50
As a reverse engineer I have some insight into what languages are used by Windows shareware (and thus by most idiot average users). From most used to least used:

1. C
2. C++ (close second)
3. Delphi, .NET, Visual Basic
4. Java
5. Python, Matlab
6. Rest (shit I've never seen)

Matlab? Really?

>>57
I've seen it only once, http://www.gamutvision.com/

>>56
C? Really?

>>56
6. Cdr (shit I've never seen)

>>60
It's more common than you think.

I've never seen shit

Fixed

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ITT 15 year olds worried that their sinewave scrolling text intro may run at 1007 fps instead of 1012 fps; it has to be absolutely the fastest

ITT 30 year olds worried that eventually people will realize their toy languages are useless for anything involving more than being able to calculate fib numbers recursively

Just the other day I took a look at the asm output of gcc -O3, and I realized how much compilers still suck.

>>66
-O3 considered harmful.

Wanker doesn't get what C is about. Film at 11.

Neutral assembly for the win.

ITT 15 year olds with their OMG OPTIMIZED Mode-X graphics

http://freeshells.ch/~revence/no-c.txt is a Javafag who's fucking clueless about programming

>>70
ITT 55 year olds with their OMG PARENTHESES Lisp code

The programs I need can't be written in neither Scheme nor Java because the former (or any other Lisp derivatives) lack the libaries and the abstraction would make unnecessarily more work and the latter was designed to avoid memory management.
As long as there're operating systems C will not die.

>>73
Scheme? Lacking abstraction? Two tenths of Scheme offer more absraction features than C and Java together ever will. And libraries? Try PLT Scheme.

If, however, Scheme looks unpractical for some reason (PLT's libraries still not being enough, or dictionaries or objects lacking syntax thus being uncomfortable to use), you should consider Python.

>>74
Scheme? Lacking abstraction?
LEARN TO FUCKING READ.

assembly rules :3

>>56
Strange, I've seen more C++/MFC and VB (absolute crap) than pure C. My ordering would be

1. C++/MFC(rap)
2. Delphi (Hello World in 400 kilobytes! Yay!)
3. VB/VB.NET/*.NET
4. C
5. Python
6. Java
...and once in a while I come across something written in a language I've never heard of, but it's a language that translates to C++ in the end.


>>76
http://www.assembly.org
Sure does. Any /prog/grammers going?

>>77
I was there summer 2006 and 2007.

>>77
like it or not, most windows programs are in VB, you're pretty much right on

AT LEAST ITS A REAL [STRAIGHT] MANS LANGUAGE, ITS HETEROICONIC UNLIKE HOMOICONCI FAGGOT LANGUAGES LIKE LISP AND PROLOG.