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What do you HATE in Computing?

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-25 10:56 ID:Z55LfR4U

and why?
I'll start,


C++, shit confusing language full of crap. dumb kids like it and do half arsed jobs of difficult tasks without understanding what they're doing with it. Dealing with C++ someone else wrote is fucking horrendus too.

Java hatred, Stop being a fucking idiot java is useful at times. Why is it still cool to hate java?

Python, ONE WORD, FORCED INDENTATION OF THE CODE, THREAD OVER.

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-25 22:20 ID:vFJrgTjM

>>38
I've read a few books on interface design and worked as a UI designer on a few projects. I'm am currently working on improving the Gimp's interface to less sucky than it currently is ;). Photoshop is nearly as horrible as the Gimp from a comparison of a GOMS analysis.

THI is definitely a classic. Every programmer that works with a GUI must read it; just like SICP. The books you mention are the ones that I'd recommend. Other books I'd also recommend are found in the THI bibliography. Most other books I've read on this subject deals with minor improvements in traditional design and have little value as they fail to address the fundamental problems that Raskin addresses.

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-25 22:23 ID:EgPHaJkA

>>41 improving the Gimp's interface
I love you. I take back all the bad things I said about you. And if your improvements have a chance of making it into the real world, please take users of tiling window managers into account. It would be wonderful if the Gimp had a single-window mode.

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-25 22:36 ID:Z55LfR4U

Photoshop is nearly as horrible as the Gimp from a comparison of a GOMS analysis

Try using them both to make a real comparison :P

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-26 0:52 ID:i39lsD4Y

>>41
Thanks for the advice. o.o-b

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-26 4:54 ID:gR6LVjCT

>>39,40
THI doesn't go deeply into the science and math behind the interfaces, but it has enough to get you started. It refers you to other books for more details. It does show examples of how to 'quantify an interface' thus allowing you to mathematically compare two interface approaches.

As for Enso, it sounds similar to Launchy http://www.launchy.net . From my point of view, Launch and Enso are probably the best thing we can do outside of an Archy-like environment. Since the command entry system IS the user's locus of attention the problems of modality are reduced. I also find it acceptable to use the enter key as a suitable command delimiter.

>>41
if your improvements have a chance of making it into the real world
Given the right marketing strategy, I feel that my fork would get a real following. The biggest problem I have would be people that refuse to learn how operate the program. It will require training as my design decisions aren't as visible as traditional designs. However, I will guarantee that it is much quicker to manipulate images in my interace than in any other interface once the user has been through the right training and familiarity period.
please take users of tiling window managers into account
Though I've never worked with one, I'm pretty sure my design will work well in a tiling window manager.
It would be wonderful if the Gimp had a single-window mode.
Done.

>>42
I've analyzed Photoshop CS1 and Gimp 2.2.10. I am intimately aware of how to operate each program to accomplish a given set of image manipulation tasks. I know both can do better.

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-26 5:31 ID:7xqDAQNP

ok ok GUI fags wrap it up, lets go back to HATING things. thanks.

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-26 5:38 ID:X+X2xCck

>>46
it's pretty stupid how some people think lisp is anything more than a useless academia language

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-26 5:47 ID:m+x1w0Oc

>>47
I think you're on to something here.

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-26 6:00 ID:1Q1PGtU6

>>47 a part of crash bandicoot was written with lisp.

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-26 6:31 ID:X+X2xCck

>>49
and look at it now

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-26 6:50 ID:v/PEMcFe

Useful, concrete things written or developed with Lisp:

- Amazon
- Parts of Google
- Crash Bandicoot
- IMAP?
- ???

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-26 6:53 ID:m+x1w0Oc

>>51
4chan

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-26 7:17 ID:1Q1PGtU6

>>51 So at least four useful things were written with Lisp.
Lisp isn't dead it was never alive
SICP is dead

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-26 7:52 ID:m+x1w0Oc

>>53
God is dead, therefore SICP is God

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-26 7:55 ID:iX3XO0aA

>>54
"God is dead"
--SICP

"SICP is dead"
--God

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-26 7:58 ID:EIcdvzaq

>>55

"SICP is God"
--Dead

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-26 10:35 ID:d5Wt6Nea

Toy languages and their advocates.

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-26 10:39 ID:v/PEMcFe

>>57
Dammit. I'm tired of you. Since a few weeks ago, you Cfag came here from Reddit, and have been touching our balls with your shitty portable assembly since. This is why we don't post /prog to Reddit, especially not where Cfags can come with all their OMG OPTIMIZED faggotry.

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-26 10:49 ID:Heaven

>>58
how do you know he came from reddit and that he's the pame serson?
Also, i've aswell noticed many posts bashing 'toy languages' or whatever.

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-26 12:53 ID:Heaven

>>58
>>59
I'm tired of that fucktard, too. He doesn't sound very ``reddit'' to me, though.

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-28 18:27 ID:Heaven

>Since a few weeks ago,
I don't see
>you Cfag came here from Reddit,
/b/
>and have been touching our balls with your shitty portable assembly since.
And you're a butthurt lispfag, probably a fresh CS-student, that's never earned a cent from programming

>He doesn't sound very ``reddit'' to me, though.
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