C++ Sucks

C++ is a horrible language. It's made more horrible by the fact that a lot of substandard programmers use it, to the point where it's much much easier to generate total and utter crap with it. Quite frankly, even if the choice of C were to do *nothing* but keep the C++ programmers out, that in itself would be a huge reason to use C.

In during actual discussion.

>>40
Parrot is written in C, requires C.. it's written in it.  JVM, in C, and so on.  As long as these things are the case it'll be around.  Even ASM is still commonly used in the workplace.  I also see lots of C apps coming out all the time.  Like.. most web browsers, X, XFCE, compiz-fusion, windows, the list goes on.  Most of the apps you know and love are either C, C++, or possibly Obj C.  Sorry. I know you like your high level languages, but thems the breaks.

>>42
Most of the apps you know and love are either C, C++, or possibly Obj C.
I wasn't talking about C++ or ObjC now, was I?

Parrot is written in C, requires C.. it's written in it.  JVM, in C, and so on.
Well, great, the virtual machine and operating system is written in C. If everyone is writing to the VM and not C, who the hell cares what the VM is written in?

Does the fact that CLI, Parrot, JVM and LLVM let you cut out using C for bridging not make obvious where things are going?

>>42 Parrot is written in C, requires C.. it's written in it.
Oh, wow. Yeah, we're all using that. Oh, wait. The only decent Perl 6 (not that it's in use either yet) implementation is written in what, now?

Nobody cares about Perl 6

Since when are most browsers C apps?

The only parts written in C are the parts that are meant to be easily usable across many languages (which virtual machines are meant to obliviate, BTW).

>>45
Yes, that too.

>>35 is ENTERPRISE

C isn't bad, treat it as portable assmbly so we can stop hearing the bitching of those OMG PHP JAVA programmers

>>48
Yeah, but it'd be nice if we could treat it as a bit more than just (semi-)portable assembly.

I think his complaints are completely justified, and C's one of my favorite languages. It pisses me off that everyone else has all the goodies, which means C is really only good for refactoring hotspots in higher-level code. :/

>>49
So you just need a good library, the language itself is fine.
Or use Objective-C.

So you just need a good library
Yeah, exactly.

the language itself is fine.
Which won't fix strings then, due to string literals.

Or use Objective-C.
Very tempting. I'm waiting for 2.0 before I spend the time learning it.

>>36
Yes, but what about string literals? Changing from C to Pascal strings (or better) would cause problems.
We already have u"...", so we could have s"...".

>>38
Slightly OT, but why not just the length?
How do you tell when you've run out of memory? (Note that these are mutable strings.)

>>52
How do you tell when you've run out of memory? (Note that these are mutable strings.)
I assumed you'd only append stuff with strcat() or whatever, which would do the checking for you. And you'd get automatic logarithmic reallocation with a special realloc() function.

Once you start dynamically reallocating, that means you need handles and/or garbage collection for anything else that might be referencing those strings.  C FTL.

>>53
Okay, and how would it do the checking if you only keep the string length?

>>54
Not if the string is like:

struct DecentString {
    unichar *s;
    unsigned int len;
    unsigned int alen;
}

>>55
Right.  And that's called a handle.

>>56
Ew. I failed to read your post. I zoomed into "reallocating" and "anything else that might be referencing", then proceeded to write my crap.

>>55
Dunno. Take the string length as the allocated length and then do some magic? I assumed that realloc wouldn't cause any problems and just append memory blocks to the string without changing its address or whatever >>54 is trying to say. Guess I'm not expert enough!

>>58
realloc always tries to reallocate the memory without new blocks.

>>1
That's like saying Heart Surgery sucks because you didn't have the grades to get into med school.

>>60
could you explain your statement in other words
i do not understand

>>61
C++ is a horrible language. It's made more horrible by the fact that a lot of substandard programmers use it, to the point where it's much much easier to generate total and utter crap with it. Quite frankly, even if the choice of C were to do *nothing* but keep the C++ programmers out, that in itself would be a huge reason to use C.

>>61
Mean it's a good programming if you know how to use it. If you're writing anything where performance matters, it kicks ass but you need skill to learn how to use it. Ppl criticizing it here don't seem to know how to use it. That's not the language's fault.

>>63
People criticizing it here have used it a ton and have seen its shortcomings when trying to use it for more and more complex systems, then moved on to more capable languages that are better equipped to deal with real-world problems.

>>60
More like saying heart surgery sucks because the only tools you have are a butter knife and some dental floss.

I love QT.

/thread

>>66
Enjoy your .mov files and AIDS, faggot!

yeah, trolltech, I know

C# > C++ > C
PROGRESS

C OCTOTHORPE < C-- < SEE
CONGRESS

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>>70
This is a C++ thread. Take your Perl elsewhere.

>>C++
REGRESS

>>1

Jealous retard who can't code C++

Enjoy your PHP / C# / JavaScript etc. failure faggot.

>>73
Enjoy your Linux kernel failure faggot.
Fix'd.

>>73
Any of these three languages have better features than C.

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>>77 jailbait?

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