stack based languages

Hello, i am interested in learning a stack oriented language, so i started learning Forth. (from http://www.amresearch.com/starting_forth/)
Some alternatives i heard of are cat and factor.

What is best to learn from those? And suggest a good tutorial

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http://useless-factor.blogspot.com/2007/12/books-that-should-exist.html
Programming with Factor

Factor's included documentation is great, but it's not enough, by itself, to learn Factor. I, and probably most people who know Factor, learned through a combination of experimenting, reading blog posts and the mailing list, and talking on #concatenative. Many people will continue to learn Factor this way, but it still seems somehow insufficient. It should be possible to learn a programming language without participating in its community.

Of course, we can't write a book on Factor until we get to see what Factor will look like in version 1.0. But I'm confident that this book will be written, even if it goes unpublished in print, and I'm fairly sure that I'll have at least some part in it. Maybe it'll be a big group effort by the whole Factor community.

What I'm thinking is that we could have a book which teaches programming through Factor, to people who aren't yet programmers. I've talked a lot about this with Doug Coleman, and we agree that most programming books are bad; we should make a new book that does things very differently. But we can't agree or imagine just how...