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What's the appeal of LISP

Name: Anonymous 2007-08-31 17:49 ID:eOTcF6wL

Lisp has all the visual appeal of oatmeal with fingernail clippings mixed in.

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-03 13:43 ID:rThARzTr

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Name: Anonymous 2007-09-03 13:45 ID:rThARzTr

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̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅ ̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅ ̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅..........̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅ ̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅ ̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅
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Name: Anonymous 2007-09-03 13:47 ID:rThARzTr

.̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅.̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅.̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅s̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅a̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅t̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅o̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅r̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅i̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅ ̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅ ̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅ ̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅ ̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅ ̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅
̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅ ̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅ ̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅..........̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅ ̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅ ̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅ .̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅
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Name: Anonymous 2007-09-03 13:47 ID:rThARzTr

.̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅.̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅.̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅s̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅a̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅t̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅o̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅r̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅i̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅ ̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅ ̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅ ̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅ ̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅ ̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅
̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅ ̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅ ̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅..........̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅ ̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅ ̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅ .̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅
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Name: Anonymous 2007-09-03 13:48 ID:rThARzTr

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̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅ ̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅ ̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅...........̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅ ̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅ ̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅ .̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅
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Name: Anonymous 2007-09-03 13:50 ID:rThARzTr

I have managed to break the boundaries of posts and physically connect the content of them. Am I an EXPERT BBCODE PROGRAMMER?̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅̅

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-03 14:02 ID:Heaven

>>46
Nope, just retarded.

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-03 14:25 ID:Heaven

>>46
Expert Unicode Programmer.

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-04 6:44 ID:nteJvxuA

I remember some guy giving lectures at conferences about using Lisp to imitate other languages like Perl. So you could type Perl-like code and have this Lisp program understand it. Do any of you know about that?

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-04 10:21 ID:1lDhSzch

>>49
It can supposedly be done with Lisp macros, but I have so far not seen a single Lisp programmer than knows how to use macros beyond for-loops and other stupid stuff.

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-04 11:26 ID:eOpLdWqF

>>49
It's fairly simple in concept. Since macros don't evaluate their parameters, you can make a form like (perl $foo=3 ... ) expand to whatever, by parsing the symbols given as parameters to the perl macro (defmacro perl (&whole code) ... ).

Of course, the tricky bit is that such a macro definition will just give you a bunch of symbols like the above "$foo=3". You can make the situation a little bit better by stipulating spaces wherever possible ("$foo = 3"), but you're still stuck doing pattern matching on symbols for variable names (owing to sigils and such), which means you'll probably be treating them as strings and losing the ability to do simple backquote substitution of symbol values into literal text forms:

(defmacro mact (name val)
  `(let ((,name ,val))
     (print ,name)))
(macroexpand-1 '(mact foo 3))
(LET ((FOO 3))
  (PRINT FOO))

Basically, parsing something like perl code with a macro is pretty much akin to parsing it as plain text. Macros are great if you're implementing a language with no semantic content in its symbols, meaning that any given symbol either has a known meaning or is a new name for something, but when a given symbol may be a name and a programmatic instruction, it gets tricky fast. Take a look at the source for your favorite Lisp's loop macro and you'll see that, even when the language to be parsed is simple, constructing working code out of it is pretty hairy (1k - 2k LOC hairy).

On the plus side, if I were writing a parser for something Lisp would be more fun than C or something to write it in.

Name: Anonymous 2011-11-10 11:25

old thread is old

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