emacs or vi

Emacs rooz. Bring it on vi kids~

vim
:wq

Emacs Made All Creationists Stupid...

Not that they were the brightest sorta tool in the shed before they all went wacko spacko.

Escape Meta Alt Control Shift

Vim sucks. Ass. And fat ones at that. So I tried emacs, and it was like a tarp. It starts out good, as in "less ancient and fugly". Then I move around and use it to fix some code, and discover emacs outdoes Office implementing Artificial Stupidity™, the technique of doing exactly what you do not want to do out of all the possible outcomes of your action. Finally I try to use more advanced features and discover they are all made of ass and poo. So I press Ctrl+M Alt+Q X J Shift+X oh wai-
So I go to another terminal and kill the stupid process.

So if we're to compare emacs or Vim, I'll take Vim, but that's like saying, I'll take bird shit over cow shit.

I used nano frequently and disliked vim very much until one day I was forced to use vim (no other editor installed on the system). So I ran vimtutor and within .. I dunno .. half an hour I knew all the basic stuff. Simple editing (till that day simple editing in vim was a mystery for me), replacing of characters, words, lines, blocks, regular expressions, etc.
No months of learning and I do remember the commands. If you need so long I cant say else then you are an idiot.

Now I love vim. For big things I use Bluefish and for building Swing UIs in Java I use Netbeans but vim is perfect for small to medium scripts and conf files.

half an hour I knew all the basic stuff.

*snicker*

How basic is that?

While I normally just ssh into my CS account and use terminal emacs, could anyone recommend a good build of it for windows?

>>47
Well xemacs is available for winders. Not sure aboot proper emacs, although you could probably get it to build either with mingw or cygwin if you really wanted.

>>45
I tried netbeans and found it unusable. It would take a 5 minute break for garbage collection every 5 minutes.

>>48

Nevermind getting it to build, I believe its available in cygwin.

In reply to the opinion that Vi and Emacs keybindings do not transfer:
1) Vi movement is the main method of movement in most roguelike games.
2) The Emacs way of pressing one C-X combination and then another key is used in many places, GNU Screen is the one I use the most, you only use one accelerator though.

>>41
Try ZZ instead of :wq.

>>51 is pure lol

:q! kthx

Emacs hurts my fingers, I don't want to use modifiers that much; Toggling between modes in Vim is easy if you map Escape to Caps Lock, or use the... ^o for single commands.

I'm a Vim user, but I wanna learn emacs because I like to hack Lisp but it's a PITA editing Lisp source in Vim then switching to your Lisp interpreter, reloading the file etc when I could just run it in SLIME.

Good news is there is a Vim mode for emacs so I can use it without ruining my wrists.

Textmate > Kate > Notepad.exe > Vim > Emacs

>>56
I do not see how you could consider Notepad superior to Vim?

>>57
He put Textmate at the top of the pile, that makes him an iFag, don't pay any attention to him.

>>58
I respect homosexuals, I do not think we should dismiss >>56's opinion just because he happens to be born with inferior genes.

DEEP ARGUMENTATION

I do not see how you could consider Notepad superior to Vim?

1. Not a refurbished 70's freeware
2. Does not require a terminal emulator, can run into the normal GUI
3. Doesn't require 20 hours of learning before its power becomes self-evident

Not a refurbished 70's freeware
Free Software != freeware

Does not require a terminal emulator, can run into the normal GUI
GVim, dumbass.

Doesn't require 20 hours of learning before its power becomes self-evident
Yeah with notepad what you see is what you get. Which aint much. At all.

Free Software != freeware
Sure, whatever word RMS wants you to use

GVim, dumbass.
Question was "I do not see how you could consider Notepad superior to Vim?", not "I do not see how you could consider Notepad superior to Vim or whatever faggotery somebody put on top of it to make it look like something else than an unproductive nerd toy"

Yeah with notepad what you see is what you get. Which aint much. At all.

You don't get it. Pretty much anything would be better than vim. Of course notepad.exe is quite shitty and useless for any real work. Emacs and Vim are just more useless, those relics of the pasts are only used by UNIX nerds who are proud they don't run X on their 'boxen' because they are too hardcore to need a GUI.
The rest of the world moved away from those user-hostile pieces of crap, and use powerful editors that know how to manage complexity (Kate, Textmate, BBEdit). When you actually need to do heavy text lifting, you use perl/python/ruby, not your editor, it's much faster. (Or you just pipe stuff through sed and awk if you are into retrocomputing)

Not a refurbished 70's freeware
Vim is a copy of the originally non-Free software Vi.

whatever faggotery somebody put on top of it
GVim is what is used in a GUI environment. And I can't run Notepad on a terminal, so that sucks.

user-hostile pieces of crap
Tried Cream [1]? I sure haven't.

[1] http://cream.sourceforge.net/

The rest of the world moved away from those user-hostile pieces of crap... When you actually need to do heavy text lifting, you use perl/python/ruby

Amen to that.

The rest of the world moved away from those user-hostile pieces of crap, and use powerful editors that know how to manage complexity (Kate, Textmate, BBEdit).
i can't run any of those on my router...

>>66
All the world isn't your router.

Use the right tool for the job.

i can't run any of those on my router...
Why the fuck would you want to run a text editor on your router? You can network your router's file system in such a way that you can open them in editors built with the 21st century in mind.

>>68
Sounds like overkill. In this case I'd say vi is a good idea.

But anyone who always insists on using vi, just because they sometimes use it over remote connections, is a fucking tool. Your local box is local; use an editor that isn't full of shit and fail.

Sounds like overkill. In this case I'd say vi is a good idea.
Why vi instead of pico or nano, then? Because "Vi is available everywhere" yet pico and nano aren't?

>>70
There's that, yes. Also, vi is a fully featured editor while pico is just a curses-ified cat.

vi is a fully featured editor while pico is just a curses-ified cat.

When I actually have to remotely login somewhere and cannot find a decent text editor, last fucking thing I want is to learn about the stupid shit vi does. You just need to learn i, escape-ZZ and :q! if you ever need to us vi, but you never do. Fucking grow up, UNIX nerds, your toy is not useful and is not cool.

The rest of the world moved away from those user-hostile pieces of crap... When you actually need to do heavy text lifting, you use perl/python/ruby

What editor would you write the code in ;)? Noo, not on the commandline, that is not reusable.

What editor would you write the code in ;)? Noo, not on the commandline, that is not reusable.

People answered before.
Kate, Textmate, Ultraedit.

http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/curves.jpg

>>75
I'm not clicking that.

I am.

Awesome!

>>75 Truth got told about emacs!

>>76

You should, it's not a trap.