JOIN US!! persons who hate JAVA!!

Seriously though, you gotta be into S&M if you decide to develop something in Java yourself and you'll be doing part of the job.

What I hated most is when 1st year programming is now all using Java because its simpler to the newbies.

Java was great on paper. A language that was OS independent. Of course Sun left out the fact is ran damn slow. Azerus is java coded and that runs slow as hell. I can see Java running on website application but full-fledged OS programs??