Why all the hysteria over Ayn Rand?

Altruism means "serve everyone but yourself" when the logical thing to do from the utilitarian perspective is to serve everyone including yourself.


The basic principle of altruism is that man has no right to exist for his own sake, that service to others is the only justification of his existence, and that self-sacrifice is his highest moral duty, virtue and value.
Do not confuse altruism with kindness, good will or respect for the rights of others.


Ayn Rand meant selfishness in the sense of standing up for yourself. There are many real life examples of where the traditional roles of selfishness and altruism are overturned, where selfishness is good and altruism is evil. For instance if you're being bullied the altruistic thing to do would be to sacrifice your own personal gain for others, by sitting there and taking it like a little bitch. The selfish thing to do would be to gain pleasure at the expense of others, escape, tell your bros then jump them the next day, spraying them up with mace and beating them with phone books.

I don't agree with Ayn Rand on everything, I believe the "common good" as a concept has been abused, not that it is invalid. The common good should ideally be democratic concerning groups and include individual rights when the group is at odds with the individual.

http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/altruism.html
http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/common_good.html

However I have never heard anyone criticize Ayn Rand on these legitimate points and issues, only ever "hurr durr selfish randroids derp".

Ayn Rand is an anachronism, to me

much better and well though philosophies now exist that dont include being scummy to your fellow human!

Objectivism was pretty much laughed at even at the time, libertarians distanced themselves from it. Rand was mostly popular during the anti-soviet/macarthyist hysteria and is now for students that want to seem edgy and those that like their philosophy easy to understand.

You should read what Murray Rothbard has to say about Ayn Rand, it’s funny: http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard23.html

I watched “All Watched over by Machines of Loving Grace”: some piece of bullshit against cybernetics that somehow manages to mention Objectivism, and they confirm trough interviews of people close to Ayn Rand that a cult was dedicated to her… What’s funny about them is that they think that all capitalists are Objectivists, they must not get in the way of the British Crown and gubamint, I suppose…

>>82

I meant the guys who made the documentary, not the people close to Ayn Rand, they weren’t even asked about that.

>>82
You really have to laugh at the very idea of a Randian cult because it would be a cult based on a philosophy that teaches rationality, self-respect and holding your own mind as a reliable authority. If even one of these values were upheld then the cult would instantly collapse in on itself. Anyone involved would immediately identity the fallacy and if told to leave probably would just get up and go as a matter of self-respect.

A Randian cult is a contradiction, like a supreme monarchy that decrees all royalty be rejected.

>>84
If even one of these values were upheld then the cult would instantly collapse in on itself.
Not that cultists disobeying their own nominal messiahs, is anything new.

For starters, I fail to see where the Bible ever outlaws alcohol, polygamy, slavery or, for that matter, rock music. But all have large crowds of people citing precisely the Bible for reasons to have all of them banned.


(Inb4 strawmen: I'm not calling for legalizing of slavery or somesuch bullshit, I'm saying to have _actual_ reasons for banning stuff. Otherwise you're just taking potshots at your own foot.)

There may be some relevant points here: http://www.zompist.com/libertos.html

>>82
Murray Rothbard has to say about Ayn Rand
One kikes talks about other kike.

Why cant we just kill them and nationalize their capitals? I'm sure Rothschilds own capital more than US debt. Just kill all Jews and there will be no problems, no communism, no liberalism, no monotheism, no crap.

I heard she's a fag

>>87
>One kikes talks about other kike.
All you do is talk about Jews...

>>89
All I do is calling to genocide Jews.

>>90
Genocide is wrong though because how would you like to be murdered?

>>91
Killing uninvited invaders is a self-defence.

>>92
I decide that you're an "uninvited invader", I then decide that I want to kill you. How would you feel towards this hostility? Not very well, I'd imagine.

>>92
You're the very definition of an uninvited invader. You've invaded this board with your constant shit posting and guess what? No one invited you.

>>93
But I'm not a criminal-banker and don't posses significant to capital to justify killing me. Besides, I live in my own country, while Jews live in every country and leverage country's security breath to Jewish profit. Jews also refuse to accept hosting country traditions and pledge any loyalty.

>>94
This is an open board. You're free to create some password-protected board. IIRC, http://0chan.hk/ allows creating personalized boards.

>>95
>This is an open board.
So? You're still an uninvited invader and by your own logic you should be killed.

>>96
To kill me, you need an army, which you don't have, kike. Israeli army are pussy-ass cowards, Israel is alive just because America protects it.

Jews are so cowardly, Jewish soldiers hide behind their woman.

Nobody is an altruist. Absolutely nobody. It's never been fashionable. How's that been working for the world? You're not "unique" or "rebellious" for espousing Ayn Rand's beliefs.

>>99
In modern society self-sacrifice is still considered the highest virtue but altruism has never been fashionable? Reality check, please.

>>99
Nobody is an altruist. Absolutely nobody.
Then who helped Ayn Rand, when she arrived in America as a poor emigrant? Who gave the little Jewish girl her Hollywood screenwriting job, when she barely spoke English?

>>101
For example, I (http://vk.com/antisemitic) can't get a programming job, because I'm antisemitic and have no degree, despite I know programming relatively well.

>>102
Maybe it's because your unemployable? Your profile picture shows exactly how professional you appear.

>>103
I doubt programmer's appearance is that important. I'm not applying for salesman or marketing job - I want to work with computers, not with peoples.

>>104
I also have imageboard mentality, so I see nothing wrong with child porn or sexist jokes.

>>105
And I have no problem snitching on you for my own amusement.
http://tips.fbi.gov

Do you see how this works?

>>106
I'm Russian.

>>104
>I doubt programmer's appearance is that important.
Hahahaha, oh wow. And you wonder why no one will employ you? Holy shit.

>>108
Programmer isn't a harlot.

>>109
Nobody said that they were.

>>110
You're just gay. Admit it.

>>109
You're not asked to be a harlot, you're being asked to be a professional, something you're apparently incapable of being at age, lol, 27.

The problem with Ayn Rand is that she labeled herself a philosopher without doing any of the actual work of a philosopher.  Her ethics have a built-in paradox in them: If ethically I am only responsible for my own happiness and non-lasseiz fare economics improve my life and make me happy, then am I not ethically allowed by Objectivism's own principles to fight against a 100% completely free market?

She sure judges a lot of people despite her own ethics essentially having a basis in... pretty much nothing.  There's precious little she actually justifies.  Essentially she just trumpets herself and assumes that if you're not an Objectivist, you may as well be thrown in jail for theft.

>>104
I doubt programmer's appearance is that important
It appears you have a lot to learn about corporations, young padawan.

For starters, they're made up of human beings. Whom you're gonna have to work with.

Also, the company's doing business with human beings. And one of those is gonna see your picture, and recognize your name from that company, and they're gonna think "Jeez, are they really hiring that kind of clowns over there?"
Which is why, when your boss finds out, the next thing you'll see, is the Russian equivalent of a pink slip.

>>114

For starters, they're made up of human beings. Whom you're gonna have to work with.
Most communications would be through IM anyway. So no-one would care if I take a bath once a month.

And one of those is gonna see your picture, and recognize your name from that company, and they're gonna think "Jeez, are they really hiring that kind of clowns over there?"
Why would a company publish a list of neckbeards on its front page?

Besides, social networks hold personal pages, so on facebook you have no responsibility to follow some corporate ronald mcdonald dress code, just because you happen to work at McDonalds.

If I wanted people to think I am unique or edgy I would join one of those fully mainstream "non-conformist" sub-cultures, develop a certain taste in music, wear silly shit, get a piercing and a tattoo, many people would actually believe I am edgy and it would take a minimum of effort. The last person anyone who wants to look edgy does is support someone mocked by the media and establishment.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/05/bill-maher-on-ayn-rand-its-all-stuff-that-seems-very-deep-when-youre-19-years-old/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeUVPAyntCY

I don't agree with everything Ayn Rand says, but equating good and evil with altruism and selfishness is illogical, I agree with Ayn Rand on this point and I don't care about society's hysteria over Ayn Rand. Whenever faced with the choice between what is socially acceptable and the truth I choose the truth.

What is so difficult to understand about this? More importantly when are you going to begin espousing Ayn Rand's views? It would result in people thinking about what it means to be good and giving their charity money to cancer research instead of cat shelters. It would make people think twice about their status as rightful recipients of other people's altruism or whether they are not really oppressed downtrodden victims and maybe it is up to them to help themselves so welfare can go towards those more needy than them.

>>115
>Most communications would be through IM anyway
Have you... never worked before?

>>117
No. My mom supports me.

>>115
Most communications would be through IM anyway
In the real world, however, words like "meeting" still feature prominently in corporate dictionaries. And "meeting" still means that a group of people are physically present in the same (physical) room at the same time.

Why would a company publish a list of neckbeards on its front page?
They don't, but that's beside the point; Even when you're not even on their web site in the first place, someone sees your page, recognize where they've seen you working, and makes the connection.
So what if it's your boss that sees it first, he's gonna go ballistic with paranoia. And not (entirely) without cause, either.

Thing is, most (if not all) businesses rely on a reputation of having a professional staff ("professional" here meaning attitude, sense of discipline and public image, at least as much as how much you know).
Which is how, whether you like it or not, you end up representing your workplace damn near every time you're anywhere public. Including your facebook page, which (for all intents and purposes) is public 24/7.


But srsly; Do you really need to be told all this? Do schools in your country suck that hard?
Over here, just about any work-related school these days has stuff like this at some point, under "customer relations" or somesuch. Even the news media feature "watch what you put on facebook and here's why"-type sections from time to time, like slow news seasons.

>>118
>No. My mom supports me.
This explains everything. You've never worked, never stopped being breast fed and never entered the real world. No wonder your views are so skewed.

Stop trying to look tough giving the internet the finger from your mom's living room, take a bath, clean up your profile and go get a job, any job.