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Why all the hysteria over Ayn Rand?

Name: Anonymous 2012-12-22 8:20

Altruism means "serve everyone but yourself" when the logical thing to do from the utilitarian perspective is to serve everyone including yourself.


The basic principle of altruism is that man has no right to exist for his own sake, that service to others is the only justification of his existence, and that self-sacrifice is his highest moral duty, virtue and value.
Do not confuse altruism with kindness, good will or respect for the rights of others.


Ayn Rand meant selfishness in the sense of standing up for yourself. There are many real life examples of where the traditional roles of selfishness and altruism are overturned, where selfishness is good and altruism is evil. For instance if you're being bullied the altruistic thing to do would be to sacrifice your own personal gain for others, by sitting there and taking it like a little bitch. The selfish thing to do would be to gain pleasure at the expense of others, escape, tell your bros then jump them the next day, spraying them up with mace and beating them with phone books.

I don't agree with Ayn Rand on everything, I believe the "common good" as a concept has been abused, not that it is invalid. The common good should ideally be democratic concerning groups and include individual rights when the group is at odds with the individual.

http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/altruism.html
http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/common_good.html

However I have never heard anyone criticize Ayn Rand on these legitimate points and issues, only ever "hurr durr selfish randroids derp".

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-06 17:24

>>150
(not >>143, but I see you missed a few vital spots)
Rand influenced Reagan/Thatcher
I think not, Thatcher was more conservative than libertarian
You don't have to keep a gun to someone's head and make them march to precisely the same drum as you, to influence them; it's enough that you say something they like. Just saying.

right-wing dictatorships, military juntas
nope
neoliberalism run amok
This is retarded
So you're saying you don't have expressions like "more Catholic than the Pope" where you're from?

So $REVERED_GURU leaves behind a legacy, said legacy takes off, and some people take the legacy to its logical extreme. Only then it's somehow not the Revered Guru's fault. Hmm.

I'm not saying $REVERED_GURU holds all blame, I'm saying to look at inspiration and where it leads (and who it is that takes it there). This is how Jesus gave us the Inquisition, Marx gave us Soviet¹, and social Darwinism gave us Hitler.

(¹ I vaguely remember something about Marx feeling it would do more harm than good for some backwards place like Russia to be the first place to pick up on his ideas. Hard to argue that one in hindsight…)

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