NDAA 2012 Passed

Obama quietly passed it while you were out partying during New Years.

We can now be indefinitely detained, tortured, and stripped of citizenship at any time.

Discuss.

Kind of amazing that something like this can be passed when you have a constitution that expressly disallows such things. Amazing still that anyone in the country is so complacent to not really worry and accept argument likes 'Oh, we won't ever actually use any of these measures we specifically want to make legal' and 'The constitution was a response to the times, so it doesn't really matter if we change it' as if the power hunger were a threat exclusive to that time period.

>>2
What can the average person even do?

Unless you had a trillion dollars to spend on lobbying in Congress, your voice isn't heard.

Voting is useless since we live in a Republic, and the government currently represents corporations and the military-industrial complex.

I'm currently saving up to make a permanent move to Canada once SOPA passes. There's nothing we can do except get as far away as possible and watch it crumble from afar. Kind of like when Hitler came into power and there was an exodus of geniuses (ex. Einstein and Kurt Godel).

>>3
Well, there's no wizardry the average person can do instantly solve everything except vote intelligently, arm yourself with an education and voice your disagreement to your local politicians as well as more generally. Of course, this practice would more effective if it were started back when intelligent men were calling for people to be watchful and informed on the then newly created military-industrial complex and again when the government started printing In God We Trust on money.

We get what we deserve.

Aware as we are, choosing to spend our time feeling enlightened on the internet.

The streets are filled with puppet protesters, shaming the very act of public dissent.

We sit and scratch and burp and laugh.

And fear.

Always fear, we find our last vestige in the comfort that we are not alone, not crazy in this passive world.

We share in such irrelevant manners as in secret on the internet, with nothing to be gained but a furthering of our own complacency.

What happened America?  Were we not once great? Were we once not PROUD?

I am ashamed among you, and you should be I.

We disgust us.


If you want to know what you can really do to make a difference in this world, spend a minute and fifteen seconds to watch this film.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RePa0VqIs8s

This was a real surprise.

I'm going to spend some time exercising my 2nd amendment right pretty soon here, just in case this bill is more than a bit of paranoia, before they start (if they start) enforcing this act. Though, I wish I had the money for an AR or AK instead of one of those old surplus guns.

>>6
Being american is suffering.

>>1
>partying during New Years.
Do you not know where we are?

>>6
>before they start (if they start) enforcing this act
I can't see them not. You don't make the indefinite detention of anyone based solely on suspicion legal, you know, just in case.

don't fucking give up. do everything to fight their plans. go down kicking and screaming.

>>10
like what? Attend a shitty little protest?

Vendetta

Vendetta

Vendetta!

>>11
Write to your Congressman. Tell everyone you know. Get them to write to their Congressman. Vote anyone out of office that didn't oppose it. Pass out fliers. Go to town hall meetings.

...Or you could be pessimistic and just sit at your computer and cry like a bitch while making fun of other people for giving a shit.

>>15
A good idea is to tell your Congrescritter that instead of saying "I'm not going to vote for you in the next election", say, "I'm not going to contribute financially to your campaign in the next election". This is, of course, if they don't vote favorably on pieces of legislation that you're concerned about.

Also, on top of sending snail mail, phone them as well. The Capitol switchboard numbers are 202-224-3121, 888-818-6641 and 888-355-3588. I guess you could e-mail them as well, but e-mail messages can be more easily ignored than snail mail/telephone.

Also, have you read your Congressional Record today?

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/browse/collection.action?collectionCode=CREC

>>16

That only makes sense if you can tell them you have a SuperPAC of some sort.  An individual can only contribute $5000, which is nothing compared to most PAC and Corp. donations.  So, good luck because unless 5000 people make the exact same threat, it doesn't really warrent wasting the effort to change the vote.

>>17
So, good luck because unless 5000 people make the exact same threat, it doesn't really warrent wasting the effort to change the vote.
So, spread the word. The idea is that politicians will respond more to threats in a monetary manner rather than just from a principled stance. Sad, but true.

It's time to move to Canada, the land where corporate donations to political campaigns are illegal and the home of a parliamentary system that isn't complete shit.

>>19
Don't forget to raise an army and come back.

>>1
>Obama quietly passed it while you were out partying during New Years.

Vote for hope and change they said. Thanks Obama.

Hate to sound like a redneck, ( Not really at this particular moment though. ) But I'm makin' bullets just incase MP attempt to guan' my ass.
They're pretty big bullets.

Also.
Apocalypse incoming!

>>19
>to Canada, the land where corporate donations to political campaigns are illegal and the home of a parliamentary system that isn't complete shit.

Please, nigga. Canadians make communists look like Republicans and your opinions can get you in all sorts of legal trouble if you hurt someone's feelings.

I'm not even joking.

>>24
Canadians make communists look like Republicans
So going by this logic, you'd be much more comfortable living in Pyongyang than Ottawa, correct? Apparently what Canadians do in your mind is worse than a people who are subjected to not even knowing a global ``Internet'' exists at all (much less having access to it in the first place) being under the whim of a perpetual hereditary dictatorship, and in the rural areas not even having enough daily intake of food to sustain oneself past the age of 30. Yet, Canada's political machine, in your view, makes these things look like a picnic in comparison.

Do you have to take a course on posting such delusional bullshit, or does it come naturally?

"If I'm elected, I promise I'll close Gauntanamo within a year.
Lol, just kidding - you're all going there."

>>25
>Do you have to take a course on posting such delusional bullshit, or does it come naturally?

Commie Canadian detected. Your kind is a disease, freezerback.

>>26
Yeah. He said a lot of things that didn't come true. Just about everything actually.

>>27
Great rebuttal. I could point fingers too and call you some ``fascist neo-Nazi tyrant'' and claim to win the argument with pointless diatribes and vitriol.

Not that you care, but I ain't even from Canada.