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It happened, OWS has been derailed.

Name: Anonymous 2011-11-18 19:38

The tea party movement started off as grass roots with specific rational objectives in mind and was later swamped by rightists and now OWS has been swamped with foaming at the mouth leftists bringing their own brands of racism, religious intolerance and illogical short sighted economic policies.

The elite pulled their strings and sent forth their battalions of ideological zealots to tard up another threat to the status quo, as you can see here the zealots have mixed in some very bad ideas in with the original acceptable ideas to discredit them, no logical educated voter can take this movement seriously now.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-ows-demands/

Repeal the Taft-Hartley Act. Unionize ALL workers immediately.

Raise the minimum wage immediately to $18/hr. Create a maximum wage of $90/hr to eliminate inequality.

Institute a 6 hour workday, and 6 weeks of paid vacation.

Institute a moratorium on all foreclosures and layoffs immediately.

Repeal racist and xenophobic English-only laws.

Open the borders to all immigrants, legal or illegal. Offer immediate, unconditional amnesty, to all undocumented residents of the US.

Create a single-payer, universal health care system.

Pass stricter campaign finance reform laws. Ban all private donations. All campaigns will receive equal funding, provided by the taxpayers.

Institute a negative income tax, and tax the very rich at rates up to 90%.

Pass far stricter environmental protection and animal rights laws.

Allow workers to elect their supervisors.

Lower the retirement age to 55. Increase Social Security benefits.

Create a 5% annual wealth tax for the very rich.

Ban the private ownership of land.

Make homeschooling illegal. Religious fanatics use it to feed their children propaganda.

Reduce the age of majority to 16.

Abolish the death penalty and life in prison. We call for the immediate release of all death row inmates from death row and transferred to regular prisons.

Release all political prisoners immediately.

Immediate withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan.

Abolish the debt limit.

Ban private gun ownership.

Strengthen the separation of church and state.

Immediate debt forgiveness for all.

End the 'War on Drugs'.

I don't agree with all the ideas I've highlighted, I can just accept that they are within reason and would not jeopardize the movement, the rest are frankly batshit insane, it is obvious they have been injected into the movement by fringe groups.

Name: Anonymous 2011-11-18 21:05

Admin Note: This is not an official list of demands. The user "bchang1987" who posted this speaks only for themself, not the movement. This website would never in a million years endorse a list of demands of the 1%.

Name: Anonymous 2011-11-19 1:10

Hate to break it to you, but most of those crazy demands existed from day one of the movement.  It was only later that some of them got the sense to just water it down to "reinstitute glass-stegal, lobby reform, repeal bush tax cuts, regulate derivatives market" etc

Name: Anonymous 2011-11-19 3:44

>demands of the 1%

Funny, 1% is slang for biker gangs.

Name: Anonymous 2011-11-19 4:02

Yes, OWS was retarded and very pro communist.

Name: Anonymous 2011-11-20 5:21

Name: Anonymous 2011-11-20 8:27

I think we all know that OWS has always had large swathes of people involved who have a burning hatred for anyone capable of achieving something in their lives. I could easily pick apart every bat shit crazy point on that list but one really does stand out:

>Institute a negative income tax, and tax the very rich at rates up to 90%.
If you want to tax people so ridiculously high, so that they have less the harder they work, what incentive is there to do any work at all? I mean, if you know that 90% of your product was taken away from you and given to people never really educated themselves or worked hard in their lives, why would you work at all? You wouldn't, you'd quit your job, dissolve all your assets (most of which would probably be seized for the "greater good") and go abroad. And anyone with a brilliant, creative idea for a new business would just think "What's the point?" because they'd never really profit more than they would if they kept their burger flipping job and they'd have to deal with the stigma of being someone's employer/evil overlord.

Don't they people think any of this through? Live would be fucking awful.

Name: Anonymous 2011-11-20 10:31

>>7
C'mon. You're not taking these silly demands seriously enough to explain the logical ramifications of them, are you? I hope you rather have amused yourself, in lieu. As for me, I'm starting to realize that I cannot educate every youthful idealist to lurk on the various discussion forums of the Web. It seems mostly to be a lost cause.

Name: Anonymous 2011-11-20 12:34

>>8
lurk on the various discussion forums of the Web
How would that be education?

Name: Anonymous 2011-11-20 16:28

>>6

Thats whats posted above the demandslisted on OPs link.  Its easy to miss.

Name: Anonymous 2011-11-21 1:13

>>9
Seems that all display to be sought is either education or entertainment or intel.

In all honesty, your question doesn't make any sense. You're suggesting that lurkers have no intention of being educated or at least learning something. Explain.

Name: Anonymous 2011-11-21 2:24

smells like bunch of queers thinkinf that they are geniuses  underachiever.

try asking people around you if they think that high of yourself

Name: Anonymous 2011-11-21 12:28

>>12
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

Name: Anonymous 2011-11-21 12:47

>>11
Of course web forums are not devoid of all forms of education, you go into a conversation assuming certain things like the person you are talking to is a human, the world is round and the grass is green.

Lurking on web forums is just a very ineffective means of education because most people here are retards.

Name: Anonymous 2011-11-21 20:42

>>1
Thats a great way to get all the jobs that we dont have taken away! Thanks for educating me on what true retards think like.

Name: Anonymous 2011-11-22 2:18

>>15
What specific policy are you referring to? Unionize all workers? That should really be up to the workers.

Name: Anonymous 2011-11-23 16:37

>>13
Dunning–Kruger effect = Liberalism? That does explain a lot.

Name: Anonymous 2011-11-27 12:41

>>1
Repeal the Taft-Hartley Act
I see no problem with that. I would still have labor unions regulated, but in a different manner from Taft-Hartley.
Raise the minimum wage immediately to $18/hr. Create a maximum wage of $90/hr to eliminate inequality.
Absolutely batshit insane. And I'm a social democrat.
Institute a 6 hour workday, and 6 weeks of paid vacation.
I don't know about 6 hour workday, but 6 weeks paid vacation would be an improvement. Americans work themselves to the bone, and they no time for hobbies or formal/autodidactic pursuits in education.
Institute a moratorium on all foreclosures and layoffs immediately.
How exactly could they go about doing so?
Repeal racist and xenophobic English-only laws.
Such as?
Open the borders to all immigrants, legal or illegal. Offer immediate, unconditional amnesty, to all undocumented residents of the US.
I'm for open borders, too, but there are immigration laws for a reason. Perhaps if NAFTA and other ``free trade'' agreements were abolished, you wouldn't have so many from Mexico hopping into Texas and Arizona.
Create a single-payer, universal health care system.
Agreed. Healthcare costs are outrageous.
Pass stricter campaign finance reform laws. Ban all private donations. All campaigns will receive equal funding, provided by the taxpayers.
Not a bad idea.
Institute a negative income tax, and tax the very rich at rates up to 90%.
Terrible idea.
Pass far stricter environmental protection and animal rights laws.
The US could do with tighter environmental regulations, animal rights I guess is okay too, as long as it's not PETA-style batshit insane animal rights laws.
Allow workers to elect their supervisors.
Or just allow them to bargain with them in an open and honest way.
Lower the retirement age to 55. Increase Social Security benefits.
1. No 2. Yes
Create a 5% annual wealth tax for the very rich.
Yes.
Ban the private ownership of land.
Batshit insane idea.
Make homeschooling illegal. Religious fanatics use it to feed their children propaganda.
This isn't entirely true. There is ``secular/freethinker/atheist homeschooling'', but I guess the religious type is in the majority of homeschooling.
Reduce the age of majority to 16.
Not a good idea.
Abolish the death penalty and life in prison. We call for the immediate release of all death row inmates from death row and transferred to regular prisons.
Agree on the death penalty, fuck all that other bullshit.
Release all political prisoners immediately.
I mostly agree.
Immediate withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan.
Yes.
Abolish the debt limit.
No.
Ban private gun ownership.
I'm for far stricter gun control, but I'm not for abolishing gun ownership in its entirety. If someone can pass psychological tests and (very thorough) firearms training, then I see no immediate reason for that individual to own a firearm.
Strengthen the separation of church and state.
Agree
Immediate debt forgiveness for all.
No.
End the 'War on Drugs'.
Yes.

Honestly, I don't take it seriously, and OWS is way too populist for the ideas that it spouts for it to really go anywhere.

Name: Anonymous 2011-11-27 22:48

>Agreed. Healthcare costs are outrageous.

Obamacare didn't help that at all. I'm not sure what the point of Obamacare was.

Name: Anonymous 2011-11-28 1:21

>>19
Obamacare didn't help that at all.
Indeed. Now if Kucinich was able to pass his healthcare plan, then I'd be a lot happier.

Name: Joy N Pain 2011-11-30 0:27

The list (and 95% of the people that are part of this 'movement') is a complete joke and shows how shamelessly idiotic and entitled some people are in this country.

Of the many OWS'ers I have met, the vast majority of them were complete and utter imbeciles who had no clue about what they're even protesting in the first place, and had virtually no political, economic, or historical knowledge. Essentially they just didn't get how 'stuff works'.

The rest of them are some of the smartest, most grounded, and determined people I've ever met in my life. They understand the difference between corporatism and capitalism. They're views may differ greatly politically person to person but they over all actually had a clue on what they were protesting and what enabled the "1%" to get as fat as some of them are.

The rest of them though? They truly believe that "rich" people are 'bad'. That "rich" people actually don't pay ANY taxes. That their neighbor with the Mercedes is somehow 'holding them down', and that their short comings are not their fault at all.

It's sad too because when this thing started, it actually had a chance to pick up some steam and stop the government, lobbyists, and %1'ers from fucking us over again. Now it has just degenerated into a group career failure, anti capitalist, proud card carrying communists who don't even know the definition of the ideologies they hate so badly.

Name: Anonymous 2011-11-30 14:31

>started off as grass roots

This is what lieberals actually believe.  OWS was always an agitprop phony-grassroots "astroturf" organization, conceived of and funded by the billionaire lieberal Jew, George Soros.

Name: Anonymous 2011-12-01 15:45

>>22
>George Soros
Seriously?
Can you please stop believing everything you hear on FOX news already?

Name: Anonymous 2011-12-01 17:18

>>23
Can you disprove it, then?  The Tribe has tentacles everywhere.  George Soros also funds MoveOn.org and a raft of "progressive" envirowacko organizations.  He has his hands in a lot of pies, it seems.  FOLLOW THE MONEY

Name: Anonymous 2011-12-01 20:37

>>24
MoveOn.org has been trying to co-opt OWS for a while so IF your allegation is correct, the PERHAPS Soros is TRYING to take over OWS, BUT he definitely did NOT originate it.

Name: Anonymous 2011-12-02 2:14

OWS was a joke. Some of it was grassroots. Most of it got co-opted pretty fast. They had a lot of different groups involved. Then Acorn managed to funnel money and hire people to help out. Then the unions and Democrats got involved. It's hard to say if George Soros had a direct hand in it. It turned into a cluster fuck in the first week so it's hard to tell.

I'm still not clear on their message that wanted to send other than the fact they could shit on the sidewalk.

Name: Anonymous 2011-12-03 22:01

>>26
indeed

Name: Anonymous 2011-12-03 22:31

>>23
Why so angry about different points of view? lol

Name: Anonymous 2011-12-04 9:59

>>28
Though liberals do a great deal of talking about hearing other points of view, it sometimes shocks them to learn that there are other points of view.
William Buckley

Name: Kimmoa.se 2011-12-04 10:01

I'm Kimmo Alm and I have a fat nigger cock in my cum-filled throat.

Name: Anonymous 2011-12-07 15:34

It happened, OWS has been derailed.
It now has metastasized into other populist movements. Occupy Our Homes is one example.

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