occupy wallstreet

how long till the mainstream left takes it over similar to how the conservative right wingers took over the tea party?

 wanna do some bets?

Someone should ride a motorcycle packed with explosives off a ramp and crash land into that whole protest crowd so we finally get the big genocidal explosion the human race needs and Mel Gibson would be proud of.

If I hear libfag and OWS one more time...

I dont give a shit about OWS, I dont give a shit about any of you lonely kids doling out hate, but you have to look at the atrocities by the police and get a LITTLE pissed, right?

Lifags ruined OWS. Sorry, but they really are an embarrassment to actual liberals. It was a nice little stunt, but it's never going to be the libfag Tea Party.

That would require people with jobs that vote. A bunch of lazy kids acting like a bunch of hypocrites isn't a movement. It's a mob of incoherent people with no idea what the fuck they are talking about.

They are the same old Obamafags with a nice new name.

>>38
Apples to oranges.

Protesting government --> do it in Washington
Protesting Wall Street --> do it in Wall Street

It's not the protesters fault that there's space in Washington but no space in New York

>>44
Except for that fact that it doesn't do anything on Wall Street because Washington has all the power.

Class warfare is for retards.

>>45

Ignores my argument. Posts irrelevant, unfounded opinion.
You need to seriously brush up on your trolling skills if you wanna hang out here.

>>46
I was making a separate point and thus adding to the thread you fucking retard. Why so defensive you effeminate little shit?

>>40

>>44
Hilarious. How many protestors are shareholders of businesses with offices in Wall Street? I'm sure you can find some tokens but I doubt the majority even have money in a mutual fund, I doubt they even have the faintest clue who works there or what they do.

If anything the protestors are helping them by providing an amusing distraction and lowering stress levels.

>>40
I forgot to reply to you, my reply is this.

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OWS is just another phony-grassroots movement, paid for out of George Soros's bank account and set up by all the usual kike Communist agitators.

"I took out $400,000 in loans to get a college degree in Gender Studies/Medieval Flemish Literature/underwater basketweaving, graduated during a recession, and am OUTRAGED that recruiters aren't breaking my door down to offer me jobs starting in the six figures, A BLOO BLOO BLOO, A BLOO BLOO BLOO, YOU JUST DON'T KNOOOOOOWWWWWW, society owes me a free ride because I'm better than all these retards working at Starbucks with me, I want the government to give me free money and a job, A BLOO BLOO BLOO, I am the 99%"

I have a better idea.  Round up all the kike agitators and deport them to Israel.  Round up all the wetbacks and send them back to Mexico.  Now there will be jobs for all the little crybaby faggots who chose to go into debt to get degrees in philosophy.  Let them spend a few years picking strawberries for minimum wage.  Maybe they'll lose a little bit of that superiority complex.

1) Tar and feather EVERYONE in any political office
2) FIRE all of them
3) End the Federal Reserve System and abolish the IRS (we are taxed enough through goods and services), end State Income Taxes as well (once again - goods and services)
4) Put working class citizens in office (people who have had to earn a living, not desk jockeys)
5)Make the wage for them liveable for the average working person. NO ATTORNEYS
6) One term, 2 years
7) Abolish special interest groups (they are what separate us)
8) Do not let the government get bought.
9) More sheriffs, less police (Sheriffs are elected and are the highest law in the county you live in - even the Feds need permission from them)

The problem is not Wall Street, it is politicians. Going after Wall Street is like going after the drug user and not the drug dealer. They are only doing what they are allowed to do by what laws they buy into having made.

Send illegals home, yes. Give the "jobs no one want." to prisoners - make them pay to live in prison; why is it up to me to support someone on a free ride - all that TV, working out and sex... Lucky bastards. End animal testing too - we have plenty of child molesters and lifers to test on....

The problem with "making the prisoners earn their keep" with, for example, a furniture factory, is that there are already furniture factories that do not have the unfair advantage of using what is basically slave labor.

Let the prisoners quarry boulders and break them up into gravel for road repair with sledgehammers, the way they did it 100 years ago.

>>51
I noticed a few errors (ideally you should dethrone the politicians first before punishing them) but I have to say I pretty much agree wholeheartedly. Run for office somewhere.

>>47

defensive
Whatever. You seem to be the angry one throwing personal insults around.


>>48

How many protestors are shareholders of businesses with offices in Wall Street?
You're just speculating here. But while we're comparing OWS to the Tea Party: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUPMjC9mq5Y  I doubt they even have the faintest clue who works there or what they do.

>>52
Prisoners in the united states are, right now, in reality, forced to do manual labor for private companies. They make a lot of office furniture.

I figure spank them then get them gone - either way it works.

I did not know about the furniture, but I was thinking more what the migrant workers here in Southwest did for years before they flooded construction and fast food - pick oranges and clean sides of the freeways (Sorry, never got my degree in prison socialization - bad joke).

I could never get into office, I am honest and hard working - no one wants that.

I saw a sign that said "Bakunin Matata! We are the 99%." What does that even mean?

Why is there income disparity in America? Capitalism is dirty business. Communism. Get some.

Communism did so well for the Soviet Union. Our problem is lawyers as law makers.... That is like putting a child molester in the kiddy ward.

>>59
>That is like putting a child molester in the kiddy ward.

Communism is like Pedobear. Everyone is getting fucked.

>>59
>>60

I love idiots like you guys, just throwing labels around as if that is all it takes to get to the truth. We all know they werent communist, they had a government, they were socialist in a shitty country.

>>61
And yet you seem to miss the obvious truth, communism is retarded and has been proven that many times over.

You you think you're smart? LOL!

>>59
Uh, it kinda did.  Russia under the tsar was unindustrialized, starving, losing a war, uneducated, mostly peasant farmers.  Russians under the tsar had no say in their government and no hope for a brighter future.

Under the Soviets, the Russians abandoned one war, won two, educated their populace, industrialized, gave them (minimal) social mobility, and even fed them (after a while, anyway, no one's saying the Holodomor didn't happen).  Until the end, the general trend of life in the Soviet Union was improvement.

The bolsheviks siezed a Russia tilled by wooden plows and left it with nuclear piles, the undisputed second-most-powerful nation on the face of the earth.  In eighty years.  The commies weren't nice folks, but things did get better under them.

>>63
So when Russia succeeds it's due to communism but when it tortures and executes millions of political prisoners, enslaves eastern europe, supports endless civil war in the 3rd world and threatens the world with radioactive destruction it wasn't "true communism".

The truth is Russia wasn't communist, it was just a regular dicatorship that used marxist-leninism as it's state religion. This is possibly the worst outcome for you though, it means marxist-leninism had about as much effect as any other "opiate of the masses" on encouraging the masses to revolt. It was only when an educated middle class formed after 7 decades that Russia finally shed it's tyranny.

Thankyou Reagan.

according to noam chomskey, if being one of the worlds top intellectuals means anything to you, what the russians had was fake socialism, seing as how a socialist society means workers control of labor and in the soviet union it was government control of labor. it was a totalitarian regime none the less, and a direct democracy with workers control of production is the true form of socialism and a hell of a lot better than the capitalistic plutocratic american gov.!!!!

kk

OWS is riddled with hypocrisy and idiocy and that's why it's pretty much failed.
Look at the UK earlier in the year, a man's killed by the police and the country goes up in arms. People will jump on the band-wagon if they feel their is personal gain, they couldn't give a shit about the problem. The same has happened with OWS: a large proportion of them lib-fags, completely unaffected by risky banks because:
They have no savings
They have no jobs
They're fucking students
And now it's spread to Italy, Greece etc. yet carrying with it violence and an even weaker understanding of what the campaign is for than the morons at OWS. Congratulations world, you've done it once again.

>>67
I'm beginning to notice that pattern too. All these movements start off well until the 99% gets involved.

Maybe people are naturally stupid and it's better to be a sycophant and try to take your rightful place among the top 1% than try to help the majority 99% of stupid people who fuck everything up.

Keep spreading the word!

Things are changing, people are waking up to what is really going on.

Regards Rufus Reflecter of Scholars for Truth

http://www.myspace.com/reflecter

>>65
what the russians had was fake socialism
Well duh, Chomsky may well be considered an intellectual by stupid people but he often misses the obvious, the entire population of the soviet union was indoctrinated from birth into the works of Karl Marx and Lenin yet they never did all that much to resist tyranny. Socialism is deeply flawed, in large part because it is not logic but a dogmatic ideology though also because of certain assumptions it makes about class and society.

i love how assholes whose influence will never reach outside of internet chats and message boards feel entitled to give their bullshit opinions on events they have no direct comprehension of. it's really beautiful.

Isn't wall street the stock exhange??

>>71
You sound like someone who just realised that his own contribution to a cause is in fact counterproductive.

The Declaration of Desperation

When in the course of human events it becomes necessary for a People to occupy the streets of wealth and to assemble on the lawn of power, a decent respect to the opinions of humankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the demonstration.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all People are equal, that they are endowed with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Peoples, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,–That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed will dictate that Governments long established should not change for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience has shown that people are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a design to sacrifice their Liberty, their Security, and their pursuit of Happiness for the benefit of a select few, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to set aside daily concerns and demonstrate their grievances, and to demand, and to ensure, the renewal of their Government, which only then may provide sufficient Guard for their Future. –Such has been the patient sufferance of the American People; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their System of Government. The history of the present Government and Social Order is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, constant deception, corruption, and cronyism, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Plutocracy over this Nation. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

The Supreme Court has consistently ruled against the Rights of Citizens in favor of the rights of corporations.

The Supreme Court has given so-called “citizenship” to corporations.

The Supreme Court has removed all restraints from the corrupting influence of private and corporate wealth in the Political Process, thus allowing a select group of persons and corporations to buy Politicians and hold near total control over the domestic and foreign policies of Government.

The Congress has consistently failed to act in the interest of the Nation.

The Congress now acts only in the interests of the wealthiest persons and corporations.

The Congress has enabled the consolidation of Mass Media.

The Congress has deregulated the financial sector, thus precipitating the Great Recession and putting the Nation in danger of a second Great Depression.

The Congress has failed to respond to the Great Recession with substantial financial regulation reform.

The Congress allows former Government Officials to find employment in the industries they once regulated.

The Congress gave billions of dollars to the very Financial Institutions which caused the Great Recession, without requiring any reform of those institutions.

The Congress has repeatedly and significantly lowered tax rates for the wealthiest persons and corporations.

The Congress has enabled the gross redistribution of wealth into the hands of the top 1%.

The Congress has failed to take the necessary measures to reinvigorate the national economy.

The Congress has failed to take any substantial measures to preserve the Middle Class, or to help the Lower Class.

The Congress has allowed the public education system to deteriorate and to fail to adequately prepare Students for employment and their Duties as Citizens.

The Congress has so neglected higher education that Students must endure usury and indenture themselves for education.

The President is either incapable or unwilling to lead:

He neglected to reform financial regulations when he first came into office and had sufficient political capital.

The Criminals of Wall Street have not been arrested, tried, and imprisoned for perpetrating the Fraud which so devastated the world economy and wreaked such havoc on the lives of Americans.

Corporations plunder Our seas, ravage Our coasts,  burn Our towns, and destroy the lives of Our People, without fear of commensurate retribution.

The Press fails to address the real issues.

The Press neglects even the most basic investigative journalism.

The Press propagates trivial distractions which deflect attention from the real issues.

The Press is guilty of aiding and abetting Politicians in the deception and manipulation of the American People.

The Press is now little more than the propaganda network of the wealthiest persons and the largest corporations.

The top 1% possesses 40% of America’s wealth.

156 million Americans, half the Nation, posses 2.5% of America’s wealth.

3.5 million Americans are homeless.

14 million Americans do not have jobs.

46.2 million Americans endure lives of poverty.

52 million Americans go hungry.

A Government, whose character thus condemns millions of men, women, and children to lives of desperate poverty and unwarranted hunger, while ordaining a wealthy few to live lives of unprecedented opulence, is unfit to be government of any people.

In every stage of these Injustices We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury:

We have not been wanting in Our observation of Our Representatives. We have condemned them from time to time for their failures to represent Our Interests, but Our voice remains unheeded. The Politicians reserve no lie to garner Our votes. They shamelessly neglect their campaign promises, and only realize those favors promised for the highest bribe. They have proven themselves unworthy of Our confidence. Worthy candidates cannot be heard over the babbling voices of those Whores of Wall Street and their incestuous bride, the Press. The two-party political system is broken: We no longer enjoy the luxury of electing representatives who represent Our Common Interests and Values, and are now resigned to just vote against those Politicians We most fear. The Political Process is no longer responsive to Our Will. For the Politicians have formed to themselves an interest separate from the Interest of their Constituents. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity of nonviolent direct action, and hold them, as We held their royal forbearer, in contempt.

We, therefore, the People of the United States of America, Assembled, in General Outrage, appealing to the supreme judgement of the world for the rectitude of Our intentions, do, in the Name, and by the Authority of this Nation and its Founding Principles, solemnly publish and declare, That these United States must be, and of Right ought to be, Free and Independent of Corruption, of Greed, of gross Inequality, and that Government must cease to be a Plutocracy; and that We, as the Citizens of these United States, reaffirm Our Sovereign Right and Power to consent to Government, and to revoke Our consent; and We here resolve that this Nation will have a new birth of Democracy–and that government of the People, by the People, for the People, shall again prevail across the earth. — And for the support of this Declaration, We mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our Sacred Honor.

We are the 99%.

>>64,70
I'd say that a lot of the tyranny that unfolded in Russia and other Eastern European countries were that they weren't exactly wonderful places before their various revolutions. Being under centuries of despotic rule and millions who've had a lifetime of not knowing how things were in non-despotic times would explain why the Soviet Union degenerated into such awful tyranny (especially during its early years and with Stalin in charge). The Soviet republics were socialist states, authoritarian socialist states, the biggest reason why it failed. It used vicious propaganda and undemocratic means to achieve its ends. Perhaps socialism can work in a democratic way (Democratic Socialism), where everything is completely accountable to the people. I don't have high hopes, though; most people are fucking morons and can be swayed mercurially from one political persuasion to the next (nobody bothers to be fucking consistent anymore).

>>64
It was only when an educated middle class formed after 7 decades that Russia finally shed it's tyranny.
I'd slightly disagree. Putin is one ambitious little despot; the Russians keep insisting on voting for this dickhead. Though, I'd still say that Belarus is more despotic (with Lukashenko) than Russia, or even Ukraine. Not enough of an asshole to attract international attention to have something done about it, though.