U.S. Labor Unions

What do you gentlemen think of labor unions in the U.S.?
What, in your eyes, are the costs and/or benefits of having them?

Only students should have minimal wage,as it was made for originally!

>>40
No one wants to roll those back. However, unions are pretty useless these days and are a bit too political.

>>40
You are pinning problems caused by state planning on capitalism. Compared to other countries at the time the US with it's rugged individualism and love of freedom was far in advance of countries like Mexico where you would never even hear about the crippling poverty, population kept in ignorance, crime and violent repression because the state stamped out all criticism.

>>43
You are pinning problems caused by state planning on capitalism.
Right, which is why most of those problems occurred when there wasn't even a central bank (late 1830s to 1913-1914).
was far in advance of countries like Mexico where you would never even hear about the crippling poverty, population kept in ignorance, crime and violent repression because the state stamped out all criticism.
And it's still like that today. Doesn't exactly refute what I said, though.

>>44
Show me where in the Constitution the State is granted the power to establish a bank of any sort.

If you do not trust the Jew bankers--and certainly no one with any sense ever did--then do what I do, as my father and grandfather and great-grandfather did before me.  If you want to save money in a safe place, put it in an old coffee can and keep it hidden.

>>45
Show me where in the Constitution the State is denied the power to establish a bank of any sort.  You're in a common law country, you retard.

Collective bargaining isn't a "right" that people are "allowed". Without it, employees can still bargain collectively - it's called a FUCKING STRIKE, or just CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS.

When collective bargaining is introduced, it is FORCED on the entire working populace.

>>47
True.

>>45
Necessary and Proper clause General Welfare clause, Commerce clause, etc. I don't like how the Federal Reserve runs things either, but I'm not for abolishing the nation's central bank simply because it has been misused as an instrument. It needs massive reform, for sure.

>>49
Misused as an instrument? Woooosh.

Any central bank, by nature of its very existence, is misused.

>>50
Right, which is why central banks in other areas of the world have greater oversight than does the Federal Reserve. When you leave it to be unregulated and non-transparent of course it's going to run amok and do bad things.

>>44
Correlation does not imply causation. What we are looking for here are causal links to explain the correlation, a strong correlation between phenomena A and phenomena B might not mean A causes B or B causes A, it could mean there is a phenomena C which causes both A and B and these phenomenom aren't going to be the only factors at play right here. In this case the fact that in the 19th century the US was pretty much a 3rd world country and would have suffered from all the poverty, crime, corruption and political instability such countries experience today, not the only factor but certainly a major factor for obvious reasons, certainly far more influential than whether the US had a state bank or not.

>>52
The US not having a state bank at the time was just one example that I gave. If there were mechanisms in place to plan the economy, they were either non-existent or very weak. Probably the same with any regulations at the time as well.

>>46
Tenth Amendment.  Maybe you've heard of it:

“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

Any and all powers not expressly and specifically enumerated in the Constitution are prohibited to the Federal Government.  Can't get any clearer than that.  Implementation of the Ponzi scheme called "Social Security," for example, was high treason.

Ponzi scheme called "Social Security"
You should really look up what a Ponzi scheme is before you use it in a sentence.

>>55
The greatest generation gets old and votes for social security to pay for their retirement and in return they get $200000 during their retirement.
The baby boomers have to pay around $200000 per person in extra taxes to pay for the greatest generation's retirement but in return they are promised $400000 when they get old.
Generation X have to pay $400000 to pay for Generation X's retirement, in return they are promised $800000
Generation Y has to pay $800000 to pay for Generation X but in return they are promised $1600000

Whatever happened to people putting some of their money into a bank account and simply not spending it until they retired?

>>56
It's called inflation you fuckwit.

>>57
Population growth isn't adjusting itself to the inflation you mention. With each generation, the dollar loses value, AND there are more retirees. Social security ACCELERATES inflation.

>>55
>>57
The greatest generation gets old and votes for social security to pay for their retirement and in return they get $200000 adjusted for inflation during their retirement.
The baby boomers have to pay around $200000 adjusted for inflation per person in extra taxes to pay for the greatest generation's retirement but in return they are promised $400000 adjusted for inflation when they get old.
Generation X have to pay $400000 adjusted for inflation to pay for Generation X's retirement, in return they are promised $800000 adjusted for inflation
Generation Y has to pay $800000 adjusted for inflation to pay for Generation X but in return they are promised $1600000 adjusted for inflation

Now admit you are wrong.

>>58
True that. Demcunts will enjoy exploiting any attempt to repair SS or fix the deficit. They actually think inflation is a good thing.

Labor unions must exist to allow workers to negotiate as a singular entity. In the absence of unions the owners negotiate as a singular entity but the workers are all on their own. When you have a bunch of disparate voices arguing against one strong voice you don't have an equal footing.

>>61
Until they take it too far and become organize crime with political connections.

"Do what we say or we put you out of business. Support our candidate or never work again. Give us part of your paycheck or we send thugs to your house."

>>62
1000 internets to you

Unions exist to benefit those in the Union unequally, with the Union leaders reaping the most benefits.

They used to be about rights, but now they're just about getting the entire factory fired and moved to Mexico. Or, when it comes to Unions of Public Employees, making Public Services extremely inefficient and making it impossible to fire bad employees.

>>59
Adding the words "adjusted for inflation" doesn't really help your argument.