Gaddafi

Gaddafi would be better to receive a nobel prize than Obama. Gaddafi never wanted war. Obama just continues it, and sends more troops everywhere. Theyr'e just hired guns, not America's army exactly.

>>80
>Thomas C. Mountain, the last white man living in Eritrea, was in a former life, educator, activist and alternative medicine practitioner in the USA.
Sure sounds like he's reliable, and not in any way whatsoever a crank with an agenda to push.

>>81
alternative medicine
So he's one of those morons that believes in homeopathy? If not an agenda, just an unsuccessful crank.

I heard there was this woman in Libya who was telling us stuff that was completely contradicting the party line.  She was the *only* English-speaking reporter saying those things.  Then it turned out that she was a political activist who was there at the invite of Iran's state broadcaster.  She disappeared for a few days - I guess she fled the country after walking the streets which she claimed weren't full of rebels with guns.

>>82
Despite his opinion on medicine, he wrote articles before Libyan conflict and no one accused him of being agenda or crank that is incompetent as a journalist

Gaddafi, having accomplished his “socialist Jamahiriya revolution”, antagonized the majority of Persian Gulf monarchies:
 – He overthrew the monarchy, which kings and emirs of the Gulf always bear in mind;
 – He has established a secular regime of “Islamic socialism” and has shown the entire Arab East that this system in the context of large resource rents provides a much higher level and quality of life for the
general public than that which they have at home; 
– From the standpoint of these achievements, he not only encouraged other Arab (and more generally Islamic) peoples to effect revolution and live according to his Green Book, but also actively interfered in their internal politics, as well as increased his influence in the Arab League and Organization of Islamic Conference;
 – He effectively dislodged the Saudi royal house from its position in many regions of Africa, replacing it with his influence both directly and through the  African Union created with much of his efforts. A number of Western leaders have long-standing “historical accounts” with Gaddafi. The U.S. and Britain remember the decisive expulsion of their military bases from Libya after “Gaddafi’s revolution”, as well as the nationalization of their oil equity. France has clashed with Gaddafi for many years over influence in French-speaking Africa; moreover, sometimes these clashes have escalated into direct armed conflict (as in Chad). Italy has always been afraid of unexpected twists in Gaddafi’s policy, which could at any moment “flood” the country with a stream of illegal migrants from Africa. Not the least role in the West’s animosity towards Gaddafi was played by the consequences of his policy of “exporting revolution”, in the course of which he has supported anti-governmental movements worldwide and which has also facilitated the departure of his radical Islamist opponents to “hot spots” (farther away from Libya). And although the role of Gaddafi himself or his intelligence services in the terrorist attack in Berlin, as well as the bombings of American and French aircraft has never been definitely proven, it was precisely these enumerated developments that became the primary motives for the introduction of U.N. sanctions against Libya in 1992, as “the main sponsor of global terrorism”. For Western countries, and most of all for the U.S., Gaddafi was unacceptable both for the reason that he has shown the whole world an example of successful “Arab socialism” and because he has shown extreme economic and political independence. Libya has had no foreign debts and there has been no strata of prominent, powerful oligarchs, who may be influenced by the threat of  confiscation of their accounts in Western banks (ostensibly the “assets of the Qaddafi family” are frozen in the West – in reality these assets are principally those of the state National Oil Corporation and state investment funds). Mitigation of Gaddafi’s policy, his acceptance of Libya’s responsibility (but not guilt) for the above-mentioned terrorist attacks, as well as the payment of compensation to their victims – were important grounds, but not the main reason for withdrawing the international sanctions against Libya in 2004. According to experts, one of the conditions for withdrawing sanctions was a demand from the U.S. and EU countries for the provision of wider access to international oil companies in Libya.

Interesting article.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/717b69ea-dc87-11e0-8654-00144feabdc0.html

In June 2003 Gaddafi announced at the nationwide congress a new path for the country towards “popular capitalism” and the beginning of the privatization of the oil and gas industry. It is exactly at that point that Gaddafi signed an agreement with Italy on joint control over illegal immigration. Beginning in 2005, approximately 40 foreign oil companies have returned to work in Libya (primarily under the Production-Sharing Agreements). The amount of “oil rent” (which was previously almost completely accumulated in the national budget and the state investment funds) began to fall as a result. And in 2009, feeling the risk of a collapse of revenues during the crisis and lower oil prices, Gaddafi expressed his reluctance to privatize the National Oil Corporation (on which oil companies, primarily from France, Italy and the U.S.A. had very much been counting). Subsequently, Gaddafi said that agreements with foreign companies for the “equal” distribution of oil produced by them in Libya was an injustice to the Libyan people and that it would be correct to reduce the share of such companies to 10-15%. Libya possesses the largest proven oil reserves in Africa (50 billion bbl.) and estimates of its oil reserves are about 100 billion barrels on land and about the same on the shelf (moreover, not more than 30% of the country has been explored). Therefore, these decisions of Gaddafi’s were a very painful blow to the interests of foreign oil “grandees”, especially given the fact that the bulk of Libya’s oil is the most valuable – the light, low sulfur type requiring minimal expenditure on processing.  In addition, the PRC has recently shown increasing activity in obtaining contracts for Libyan oil fields, as well as participation in other Libyan infrastructure and industrial projects. In particular, China’s largest oil corporation CNPC has received a number of promising oil sites in the country for exploration and development. Before the current war, more than 30 thousand Chinese experts and workers had worked in Libya (after the war began, almost all of them were evacuated from the country). The Libyan “Chinese” factor –against the backdrop of the higher activity of Chinese businesses in Africa in general – is considered by knowledgeable experts to be one of the major reasons for the organization of the war against Gaddafi by Western nations. http://www.presstv.ir/detail/176776.html

>>85
You forgot the part where he brutally suppressed his rivals, imprisoned anyone who expressed dissent without trial, and when the prison got a bit full had some inmates killed.

>>87
>presstv
Source or it didn't happen.

>>88
That normal for any Muslim nation.

>>87
the video didn't happen? because only american sources are truthful...

>>90
>His writings frequently appear on OpEdNews, Prisonplanet.com, Antiwar.com, VDARE.com. LewRockwell.com, CounterPunch, and the American Free Press.
Yet another writer who clearly isn't in any way a crank with an agenda to push.

>>85 >>88
The population of the country is predominantly Arab, but 8% consider themselves Berbers, and up to 3% – Tuaregs. Moreover, the Arabs, Berbers, and Tuaregs are still very firmly entrenched in the tribal structure of society (there are over 140 tribes in the country, and in each, as a rule, there are several tribal clans). Loyalty to the clan and tribe both in the Middle Ages and now is valued more (with the exception of the narrow strata of the modernized elite) than loyalty to any rulers –sultan, caliph, king, president, leader of the nation, and so on. Right up until the era of independence (1951), tribes in Libya were effectively autonomous political, military, and economic units with the relative territory (“watan”) that was secured for each of them. The majority of the population has always led (and to a large degree, still does lead) a nomadic Bedouin lifestyle. The urbanization that has taken place (primarily under Gaddafi) has weakened, but not abolished the system of clan and tribal identification. http://www.stratfor.com/node/21463/archive
The main religion is Islam, in the particular form of the Sufi order Senussi, which was founded by  Muhammad Ali as-Senussi (from an Arab clan descended from the Prophet Muhammad through the line of his daughter Fatima) in Mecca in 1837, and who “hybridized” Sufism and Wahhabism in the new order with the following objectives:
– the revival of the pure faith and the practice of Islam in accordance with the teachings of the Prophet;
– the unification of all Sufi tariqas into a single order;
– propaganda of Islam on the periphery of the Arab world.
The first Senussi religious center (zawiya) was established in Libya 1843 in al-Bayda (Cyrenaica) and subsequently played a decisive role in the unification of the constantly feuding Libyan tribes. Each tribe created its own zawiya and in this manner, it led the tribes through the lodge members of Senussi under a common “denominational umbrella”. Soon Senussism became a single theocratic banner in the fight for Libya’s independence from the Turks and the Italians. After the receipt of independence, the first king of the Federal Kingdom of Cyrenaica, Tripolitania, and Fezzan (present-day Libya, which became a unitary state only in 1963) became the religious, military and political leader of Senussiism and the Emir of Cyrenaica Idris as-Senussi (great-grandson of the founder of the Order of the tribe Kharaba), who relied upon the elite of the leading clans of Cyrenaica.
After  huge oil reserves were discovered in Libya in the late 1950s, the autocratic domination of Cyrenaica lead to the rapid deterioration of relations between King Idris I and the sheikhs and even with the lodge members of the majority of tribes and in particular with the tribes of Tripolitania and Fezzan, which were deprived of their rightful share of oil revenues. It was this factor, along with the dissatisfaction with the presence of U.S. and British military bases in Libya, which determined the broad elite and social base of Gaddafi’s military coup that took place in 1969. On the one hand, Gaddafi brutally suppressed the resistance of the Senussi elite (predominantly from the Kharaba tribe) as well as of the elite of the Warfalla, Obeidat, Magarha, and other tribes that were close to King Idris. On the other hand, being from the relatively weak Gaddafi tribe, he had to contain and stabilize his power by relying on both the elite of the leading tribes and on the Senussi lodge members. The main tool of his policy became the relatively equitable division of oil revenues among tribes and also attempts to “torpedo” the tribal structure of society with ideas of national unity and pan-Arabism. Gaddafi’s political course became a specific form of “leveling” socialism, economically based on oil revenue rents, plus a legal system based on the rules of the sharia. At first, Gaddafi also sought to intermarry with the Senussis (which for Bedouin society is practically the equivalent of “to make peace with”). His first wife Fatiha Khaled, from the marriage with whom his son Muhammad was born, was from the clan of as-Senussi. But this marriage soon fell apart, and Gaddafi’s second wife became Safia Farkash, from the large Obeidat tribe. Furthermore, Gaddafi quickly incorporated large groups from the elite of the most influential Libyan tribes into power, including the Cyrenaica tribes. However, already in the first half of the 1970s, an intertribal massacre and revolt began in Libya, fueled by tribal sheikhs and Senussi zawiyas. Gaddafi brutally suppressed the revolts, confiscated a part of the Kharaba clans’ land, and distributed it to other tribes . The majority of the Senussi Kharaba elite, and also a part of the elite of other tribes who participated in the uprisings, fled the country (to London, Egypt, Paris, and so on). It was after this that Gaddafi began to write his Green Book, which advocates a “third way” between capitalism and socialism as a system of direct popular rule (Jamahiriya) and also a fundamental transformation of the entire system of government. Upon proclamation of the Libyan Jamahiriya in 1977, the Revolutionary Command Council was created instead of a Defense Ministry and a General Staff, and the army was divided into “resistance forces” and “security forces”. At the same time, universal compulsory military service was introduced, women were allowed to be called up for military service, and also the armies of the Local People’s Militia were created, and they included a large part of the country’s population. The structure of political power turned out to be presented as a system of directly elected people’s congresses, as well as people’s and revolutionary committees. Gaddafi absolved himself from all official posts, leaving himself unofficially in the position of “Leader of the Revolution” and supreme commander. In the context of a tribal society, this power structure could be maintained only in the absence of strong grassroots protest. Gaddafi ensured this with rather equitable distribution of revenues from the nationalized oil industry, whose assets were concentrated in the National Petroleum Corporation, and also through the creation (almost along the lines of Norway’s template) of large foreign investment funds that make a profit from oil windfalls on account of investment in several dozen developed and developing countries of the world. As a result, Libya has the highest human development index level in Africa, free education and healthcare, no unemployment, full literacy, and one of the longest life expectancies in Africa.  (The Global Competitiveness Report 2008-2009, by World Economic Forum)

>>92
Facts, on my /newpol/?

Apart from that Gaddafi managed to solve an extremely acute problem for this part of Africa: supplying fresh water to the communities. He spent more than $25 billion in budgetary funds to arrange the extraction of fresh water from the subterranean levels in the Sahara desert and its transportation through a pipeline network that stretches around 4,000 kilometers. However, a part of the tribal elite never resigned themselves to Gaddafi’s leadership – the leadership of a Bedouin from a tribe that was far from being the most influential. During his reign, there have been several coup attempts and dozens of assassination attempts, the initiators and perpetrators of which Gaddafi has dealt with brutally. It was this exponential brutality (and also the fact that Gaddafi had intermarried through his wife and children with the elite of the majority of the most influential tribes and brought representatives of these tribes into the highest levels of government) that has ensured, in the context of Libyan society’s tribal specificity, the recognition of Gaddafi as the real “leader of the nation”. Another of Gaddafi’s major problems all these years has been radical Islamic opposition, which has had the strongest influence in the coastal area of Cyrenaica near Egypt (Barka region), including in the former Senussi lands of the Kharaba tribes (Tobruk in the Benghazi zone).  Thus, on March 16, 2011, telegrams of the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli dating from 2008 were disclosed on the website WikiLeaks. They reported that the Benghazi region was one of the main ideological and political bases of al-Qaeda, and also one of the main regions for the “world export” of suicide bombers and jihadists . On March 25th, the U.S. press published excerpts from an analytical report by the American military academy West Point, composed in 2007 on the basis of personal data from 600 jihadists captured in Iraq. http://www.ctc.usma.edu/?s=foreign+fighter&type=all&program=all&order=desc
It was found that 41% of them were from Saudi Arabia, and in second place was the Libyan region of Benghazi- Darnah-Tobruk: the “heart” of the current uprising against Gaddafi. Moreover, 52 mujahedin arrived in Iraq from tiny Darnah, and from huge Riyadh.  The West Point report emphasizes that “Benghazi and Darnah were the center of a large Islamist revolt against Gaddafi in the mid-90’s and are a pivotal base for the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), which in 2007 formally merged with al-Qaida”. In connection with this, it should be noted that already in February 19, 2011, the press had reported the creation of “Islamic emirates” in this zone of Cyrenaica and in Darnah and al-Bayda. Moreover, in Darnah the emirate was founded by the former Guantanamo detainee Abdelkarim al-Hasadi, and on February 24th, al-Qaeda announced support for the opposition in Libya and promised “to do everything possible to assist it”.

Gaddafi was a murderous asshole. However, he wasn't all that bad as compared to the usual scum that runs the middle east.

Most of the good things Gaddafi did were motivated by self-interest, if he couldn't provide water for his population then he would drive them to rebel since they would die either way.

>>96
>Most of the good things Gaddafi did were motivated by self-interest
You have just described an average politician.

>>97
Exactly, now imagine what it would be like if a politician had the power to rule by decree.

This is what it has been like in Libya for the past 4 decades.

http://www.afro.com/sections/news/national/story.htm?storyid=72369

Former U.S. Congressman Walter Fauntroy, who recently returned from a self-sanctioned peace mission to Libya, said he went into hiding for about a month in Libya after witnessing horrifying events in Libya's bloody civil war -- a war that Fauntroy claims is backed by European forces.

Fauntroy's sudden disappearance prompted rumors and news reports that he had been killed.

In an interview inside his Northwest D.C. home last week, the noted civil rights leader, told the Afro that he watched French and Danish troops storm small villages late at night beheading, maiming and killing rebels and loyalists to show them who was in control.

"'What the hell' I'm thinking to myself. I'm getting out of here. So I went in hiding," Fauntroy said.

The rebels told Fauntroy they had been told by the European forces to stay inside. According to Fauntroy, the European forces would tell the rebels, "'Look at what you did.' In other words, the French and Danish were ordering the bombings and killings, and giving credit to the rebels.

"The truth about all this will come out later," Fauntroy said.

While in Libya, the former congressman also said he sat down with Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi for a one-on-one conversation. Gaddafi has ruled Libya since 1969, when he seized power in a military coup.

Fauntroy said he spoke with Gaddafi in person and that Gaddafi assured him that if he survived these attacks, the mission to unite African countries would continue.

"Contrary to what is being reported in the press, from what I heard and observed, more than 90 percent of the Libyan people love Gaddafi," Fauntroy said. "We believe the true mission of the attacks on Gaddafi is to prevent all efforts by African leaders to stop the recolonization of Africa."

Several months ago, Gaddafi's leadership faced its biggest challenge. In February, a radical protest movement called the Arab Spring spread across Libya. When Gaddafi responded by dispatching military and plainclothes paramilitary to the streets to attack demonstrators, it turned into a civil war with the assistance of NATO and the United Nations.

Fauntroy's account could not be immediately verified by the Afro and the U.S. State Department has not substantiated Fauntroy's version of events. Fauntroy was not acting as an official representative of the U.S. in Libya. He returned to Washington, D.C. on Aug. 31.

When rumors spread about Fauntroy being killed he went underground, he told the Afro in an interview. Fauntroy said for more than a month he decided not to contact his family but to continue the mission to speak with African spiritual leaders about a movement to unify Africa despite the Arab uprisings.

"I'm still here," Fauntroy said, pointing to several parts of his body. "I've got all my fingers and toes. I'm extremely lucky to be here."

After blogs and rumors reported Fauntroy had been killed, the congressional office of Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton (D-DC) announced on Aug. 24, that she had been in touch with authorities who confirmed Fauntroy was safely in the care of the International Committee of the Red Cross.

Inside his home, Fauntroy pulled out several memoirs and notebooks to explain why he traveled to Libya at a time when it was going through civil unrest.

"This recent trip to Libya was part of a continuous mission that started under Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. when he gave me orders to join four African countries on the continent with four in the African Diaspora to restore the continent to its pre-colonial status," Fauntroy said.

"We want Africa to be the breadbasket of the world," he said. "Currently, all the major roads in every country throughout Africa lead to ports that take its natural resources and wealth outside the continent to be sold to the European markets."

>>98
Exactly. The most prosperous country in Africa.

>>100
South Africa would like a word with you.

>>101
South Africa....rape capital of the world.

LIFG (aka Al-Jama’a al-Islamiyyah al-Muqatilah  (JIM), aka Libyan Jamaat), which was established in 1995,  which has declared as its goal the overthrow of Gaddafi and the establishment of an Islamic state in Libya, has carried out a number of major terrorist attacks in the country. In 1996, a military operation was conducted against the JIM in the mountainous regions of Libya, in which up to 10 thousand troops were involved. JIM Mujahedin have created infrastructure in different European and Arab countries, as well as forged links with Islamic radicals in other countries of the Maghreb. During the civil war in Algeria, JIM closely cooperated with the Salafi Group for Preaching and Combat (which is al-Qaeda in the Maghreb). In 2001, the JIM Mujahedin actively participated in military actions in Afghanistan. The spiritual leader of JIM Al-Saadi received the title of “Sheikh of the Arabs in Afghanistan” from the chief of the head of the Taliban, Mullah Omar. In Libya, JIM has created “sleeper cells” all these years. Realizing the threat posed by JIM, the government began talks with them (Gaddafi’s eldest son, Saif al-Islam, was in charge). The authorities guaranteed the organization’s activists latitude in exchange for disavowal of armed hostilities. In September 2009, JIM published a 417-page document criticizing the ideology of al-Qaida and presenting reasons for the abandonment of fighting with Gaddafi’s regime. Moreover, beginning in 2006, around 300 previously arrested members of the JIM were released from prison. Experts point out that in the new political situation; these are quite capable of reviving their “dormant underground”. The Muslim Brotherhood had low-level activities in Libya until recently. In mid-March, the world’s media reported that Egypt (moreover, the actors in the operations were not named) was supplying weapons to the Libyan rebels, thereby circumventing the UN embargo. WSJ 18.03.2011
However, military sources indicate that it is this organization that has ferried weapons and volunteers from Egypt into Cyrenaica since the early days of the “new Libyan revolution”. Finally, it should be mentioned that the spiritual leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, Yusuf al-Qaradawi, having returned to Egypt in late February after half a century of exile, immediately called for the killing of Qaddafi “for the brutal massacre of demonstrators”. 
Experts report that one of the main “external” organizers of the current “uprising” in Libya was the National Conference for the Libyan Opposition, established in London in June 2005 and composed of several groups of exiled members of the royal family, tribal leaders, and former functionaries of the Libyan government. The most influential of these groups is the Muslim Brotherhood, as well as the Libyan Constitutional Union, headed by Crown Prince Muhammad as-Senussi, nephew of King Idris, deposed in 1969. stratfor.com/node/21463/archive
It is this London opposition, noted above, that led the “preliminary talks” for rebellion with leaders of Libyan tribal clans, and it was this opposition which imported a huge number of the flags of King Idris’ monarchy (black, red and green with a white crescent and star) into Libya, under which the “rebels” now march. And it is no coincidence that the current “official” leader of this opposition – former Justice Minister Mustafa Abdul-Jalil, having deserted the Gaddafi camp – comes from the pivotal Senussi Kharaba tribe. Thus, the main political resource of the current uprising against Gaddafi became: firstly, the radical Islamic opposition, integrated with the heirs of the Senussi dynasty; and secondly, some of the sheikhs and lodge members of the tribal elite, who expect to receive a more substantial share of the national “oil export pie” during the course of the redistribution of power. Having promised a piece of this pie to its “grassroots” tribal masses and having provided for the looting of the regional armories established by Gaddafi for the Local People’s Militias, the clan elite procured an “armed people”, which rose up to fight the central government. However, as reported by the media, a significant part of the most powerful weapons from the looted armories did not end up with the “rebels”. They were immediately confiscated (stolen or bought from the leaders of the uprising) by groups of radical Islamists and sent in large quantities across the southern borders of Libya into the remote areas of the Sahel (Chad and Mali), where the regional bases of al-Qaida and a number of other Islamist organizations are located.
Chadian President Idriss Deby reported on March 22nd in an interview with the weekly Jeune Afrique that Islamists of the AQIM have used the looting of military depots in the area of Libyan uprising and taken many weapons, including surface-to-air missiles, and smuggled the rockets into their hiding places in the Ténéré in the central part of the Sahara. Sources in the security systems of Mali and Niger confirm that the Maghreb al-Qaeda has come into possession of Libyan heavy weapons.
Moreover, some experts do not exclude that al-Qaida could have obtained not only heavy weapons and air defense systems from the looted armories in the eastern and southern part of Libya (which has already been established by the intelligence services of neighboring countries), but also the chemical weapons components possessed by Gaddafi’s regime.

>>102
South Africa - the most prosperous country in all of Africa.
South Africa - the country where all women are raped all the time.
All women are raped
Most prosperous
rape
prosper
Think about it.
/newpol/ - solves world problems.

South Africa was a prosperous industrialized First World nation under Apartheid.  Since 1996, the country has been ethnically cleansed of Whitey almost as thoroughly as Rhodesi--er, I mean, Zimbabwe.

South Africa is now indistinguishable from any other African failed state full of nigpanzees, and it took less than fifteen years.

Oh look, it's Gaddafi's cocksuckers coming out of the woodwork. Let me tell you something about your so-called hero.

He wants to control Africa, so he pays African leaders to call him "The King of Kings". He spends most of the oil money on other African countries instead of his own people. That's why he's popular among the African countries but not his own.

He is a ruthless dictator who tramples on liberty, freedom of speech and women's rights. No democracy whatsoever. Internet access is heavily censored and monitored.

He and his family live in luxury while 1/3 of the population live below the poverty line.
He has a harem of female bodyguards, maids, and nurses who he regularly rapes and abuses.
He hires black mercenaries who rape, torture, and kill Libyans.
He assassinates and hangs political dissidents and broadcasts their executions on national TV.
He tortures prisoners and then kill them using bombs and machine guns when rebels are about to enter Tripoli.
He funds black and muslim dictators, assassins, and terrorist organizations all around the world.
He has nuclear and chemical WMDs and has used them on neighboring countries.
He wants to destabilize Europe with a new currency and flood Europe with black and muslim immigrants and terrorists.
He and his family drink wine despite being muslims.
He has a collection of gay porno DVDs and an album of Condoleezza Rice.
He is a known paedophile who rapes his own grandchildren. Just look at any picture or video of him with children to see how sick he is.

These are all in the news and all over the Internet. You can look it up yourself.

>>106
I wonder why you bother to begin by saying truthful things, and then just resort to lies pulled out of your african ass toward the end. We're NOT africans - we know bullshit when we see it.


"He wants to destabilize Europe with a new currency and flood Europe with black and muslim immigrants and terrorists."

I think you lost me at this point.

"He and his family drink wine despite being muslims."

Ooh, he's not a devout muslim. *sarcasm*


"He has a collection of gay porno DVDs and an album of Condoleezza Rice."

...and yet you say that he rapes his FEMALE bodyguards.


"He is a known paedophile who rapes his own grandchildren. Just look at any picture or video of him with children to see how sick he is."

Do you realize that you are posting this on 4CHAN? Your final argument made him look like an okay guy.

>>106
I think Obama has found a role model at last.

>>106
>He wants to control Africa, so he pays African leaders to call him "The King of Kings"
Not sure if troll or just stupid. The "Sheikh of sheikhs" is what most libyan tribe leaders call him.
>He spends most of the oil money on other African countries instead of his own people.
And yet - Libya is the most prosperous country with the best living conditions in the whole Africa and other countries are extremely poor.
>That's why he's popular among the African countries but not his own.
Read this >>99, for example. 90% of libyan people support Gaddafi.
>He and his family live in luxury while 1/3 of the population live below the poverty line.
Of all the photos that were shown in media - his house isn't that luxurios and Libya isn't that poor. I live in Eastern Europe and I could easily afford that too.
>He is a ruthless dictator who tramples on liberty, freedom of speech and women's rights.
>women's rights
Libya is one of few muslim countries where women actually have rights and are respected, while rebels treat them as subhumans.
>He has a harem of female bodyguards, maids, and nurses who he regularly rapes and abuses.
You know, this statement makes you look completely retarded. What kind of idiot rapes own bodyguards and expects them to do their job well? And yet his bodyguards has prevented 8 attempts of Gaddafi's assasination, which means they are devoutly loyal.
>He hires black mercenaries who rape, torture, and kill Libyans.
What Western mass media calls black mercenaries are merely black-skinned libyan citizens, that are being genocided by rebels.
>He has nuclear and chemical WMDs and has used them on neighboring countries.
Are you sure you aren't you mistaking him with Saddam Hussein?
Your arguments are just getting more and more retarded.

>>109
So much bullshit. Fucking two africans arguing is the worst.

South Africa is the most prosperous country in Africa.

Libya has oil. Even a fraction of this oil revenue is enough to make the country "prosper" in terms of pure living standards for the two thirds that Gaddafi happens to like. "Prosperity" says nothing about actual happiness.

90% of libyan people would support Gaddafi if you put a gun to their heads, and mercilessly fed them false propaganda, which Gaddafi has done for a long time with his reign of state terror.

Womens rights in Libya was something deliberately used to gain political support. It's not hard for women to have SOME semblence of equal rights, when men don't have rights either.

The term "black mercenaries" means "COVERT mercenaries", and denying that there's been regular assassinations going on is kind of like denying the Holocaust. Their activities even abroad, has been thoroughly documented. Read post >>50 for a list of those victims (before the involved countries started to secretly cooperate with Libya, sending them people who criticized Gaddafi, so that these people could be murdered without raising headlines).

>>110
>South Africa is the most prosperous country in Africa.
It *was*
>Even a fraction of this oil revenue is enough to make the country "prosper"
No, oil itself is one thing. Managing and distributing profits from oil is another.
>90% of libyan people would support Gaddafi if you put a gun to their heads
Exactly, when rebels and NATO are putting guns to their heads...
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/06/07/going-rogue-natos-war-crimes-in-libya/
>Womens rights in Libya was something deliberately used to gain political support. It's not hard for women to have SOME semblence of equal rights, when men don't have rights either.
Hurr durr
>The term "black mercenaries" means "COVERT mercenaries"
Read post >>25 about these "black mercenaries"

It's horrible that it won't stop with Gaddafi dead or in exile, because we have all these pro-Gaddafi supporters to deal with as well, somehow still funded and organized to keep spreading propaganda and provoking people to rise up against "NATO agressions" via YouTube and Facebook. Some of these people (like YouTube user hhhpets) are apparently even doing it from within the US. Propaganda is something that Gaddafi relied on for power, so I expect more of these bizarre "Gaddafi was such a nice guy, and he was kind of everybody." propaganda threads. While we're at it, we haven't seen "Hitler was such a nice guy" threads in a while.

>>110
Actually, in this case, "black mercenaries" means niggers.  From Chad, mainly.  The Chadians themselves say they were there as refugees from the civil war come to make a new life for themselves, others are suggesting they're just saying that to avoid potential reprisals from both sides given that if they were merc they'd have been used to suppress opposition and by speaking out thy'd anger the loyalists in the area.

We've seen footage of the Chadians being attacked, but this has come from Libyan state TV who claim it is the rebels.  If what ome have said about the purpose of them being there is true, then it's understandably revenge, but it may also be false-flag propaganda by the old regime trying to paint the rebels in a bad light.  Normally, they say that the first casualty in war is the truth, but in Libya that died in the 1960s.

>>111
>>Even a fraction of this oil revenue is enough to make the country "prosper"
>No, oil itself is one thing. Managing and distributing profits from oil is another.
Even a fraction of this oil revenue is enough to make the country "prosper". (Gaddafi keeps the rest.)

>>90% of libyan people would support Gaddafi if you put a gun to their heads
>Exactly, when rebels and NATO are putting guns to their heads...
Although NATO isn't above guilt, you can't compare Gaddafi executing people in peacetime with the way that remaining people are being treated in warzones.
Here are some basic rules for a warzone: Take care of the friendlies, protect the neutral, and shoot the enemies. Sealing neutral people inside their homes is actually standard procedure when you can't evacuate them. Special ops debriefing reports often read "They were making too much noise, so we knocked them unconscious and put them in a cupboard.". This goes for high up politicians they're there to rescue or protect as well, because unconscious people in cupboards don't distract you into getting shot. If you're saying that you're NOT willing to stay out of the fighting and will NOT side with NATO, then you're a hostile, and then you're just one hidden gun away from shooting at them, so unless they have the time for it, they're going to shoot you in self-defence.

Speaking of massacres, I hear Gaddafi has given orders to execute tens of thousands of prisoners:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/08/29/more-gaddafi-horrors-exposed/


>Read post >>25 about these "black mercenaries"

That post is about a random colored Gaddafi-supporter who happens to be colored, which is something entirely different, and you'd have to be a moron to confuse the two definitions of "black".

>>114
>Even a fraction of this oil revenue is enough to make the country "prosper".
Professional economist on my 4chan?
>(Gaddafi keeps the rest.)
One post you say that "he spends most of the oil money on other African countries", the other - that he keeps them. Fail.
>Although NATO isn't above guilt, you can't compare Gaddafi executing people in peacetime with the way that remaining people are being treated in warzones.
hurr durr
>Speaking of massacres, I hear Gaddafi has given orders to execute tens of thousands of prisoners:
This article makes as much sense as the news that Gaddafi raped own bodyguards. Hurr, blame the dictator of committing irrational evil deeds (that are more appropriate for islamist rebels to commit), because he is evil dictator, durr!

>>115
>>Even a fraction of this oil revenue is enough to make the country "prosper".
>Professional economist on my 4chan?

Among the first basic things you can realize about world economy, is that Africa is a piss-poor continent full of starvation and no resources, while countries with oil are rich.


>>(Gaddafi keeps the rest.)
>One post you say that "he spends most of the oil money on other African countries", the other - that he keeps them. Fail.

I've never said that. That wasn't me.


>>Although NATO isn't above guilt, you can't compare Gaddafi executing people in peacetime with the way that remaining people are being treated in warzones.
>hurr durr

You keep saying that like it's some sort of argument.


>This article makes as much sense as the news that Gaddafi raped own bodyguards. Hurr, blame the dictator of committing irrational evil deeds (that are more appropriate for islamist rebels to commit), because he is evil dictator, durr!

I thought you'd put SOME faith in the articles on that site, as it's the same site that YOU linked to, but I guess that you somehow only fanatically believe in articles portraying Gaddafi as great.

I heard Gaddafi was a bad man, but other than massacring prisoners, shooting mourners at the funeral, sending in the tanks to put down the resulting protests, sanctioning terrorist attacks, violating foreign embassies, abusing his embassies abroad, attempting to poison visiting dignitaries, pretending to live a frugal lifestyle while actually indulging in great luxury, and siphoning off most of the country's oil money for his personal purposes, what has he done wrong?

>>117
Kinda normal for a Muslim nation. The UN sees nothing wrong with that.

Most people here are kids too young to remember all the horrible things Gaddafi did. Take our word for it, kids: Gaddafi was a notorious and ruthless despot. There's no excuse for the horrible things he did. I know you all want to be hip by thinking differently than the establishment in everything, but this time the western countries supported the good guys, and that's all there is to it.

>>1

I wonder if the Nobel people are regretting giving Obama the NPP  now, since he's started a new war?