Gaddafi

Gaddafi would be better to receive a nobel prize than Obama. Gaddafi never wanted war. Obama just continues it, and sends more troops everywhere. Theyr'e just hired guns, not America's army exactly.

>>120
They're sociopaths, they don't feel those sorts of things.

>>121
They'd give Hitler and Stalin a NPP if they could.

>>122 Stalin defeated fascism. Dare not compare him with Adolf.

>>123
The Soviet Union under Stalin degenerated into its own special form of fascism where 20 million were effectively wiped out within the first few decades. Governments under Marxist-Lenninist rule are more deadly and dangerous than Hitler's short twelve year rule was (it's all just as totalitarian, even much more so).

>>124
You clearly don't know the subject you are talking about.
The amount of people killed and imprisoned under Stalin's rule was merely 0,38% of the whole population. Compare this way (in percentage) to any other European or Latin American dictator of that century (Francisco Franco, Pinochet, etc.) - and you'll find out that they were much more bloodthirsty.

>>125
You clearly don't know the subject you are talking about.The amount of people killed and imprisoned under Stalin's rule was merely 0,38% of the whole population.So that makes it less bad? Because percentage-wise Stalin killed less people in the former Soviet Union than did Franco and Pinochet? Cute, but that doesn't really refute my argument. Communism has cost more human lives on this planet than has fascism (nearly 100 million), and still to this day, in the 21^st century, people continue to die under its vice grip. This isn't some nutty right-wing conspiracy (I'm a left-of-center leaning social democrat, myself) making this up, it's cold hard facts.

>>125
>>126
I'm told that capitalism kills hundreds of thousands in the US every year.

Or, IOW, arguing over how to interpret body counts is Special Olympics territory - non-trivial numbers of people dying as a result of state policy is bad, regardless of what that policy is.

>>127
non-trivial numbers of people dying as a result of state policy is bad, regardless of what that policy is.
Of course. People, though, really need to stop pretending that communism wasn't as or more dangerous, though.

Guys, you need to understand that we can't measure the AMOUNT of people who was massacred, but WHO was massacred. For instance, would you cry a single tear if we massacred all the trolls in the world?

>>129
For instance, would you cry a single tear if we massacred all the trolls in the world?
As much as people don't like trolls, they do have human rights.

>>129
No, for I would be among them, probably you as well.

>>130
If it's violating human rights that you're worried about, then we can just make an exception for the trolls: Make being a troll illegal and punishable by death. Problem solved.

>>131
Yeah, I would probably be executed even BEFORE the trolls, but still.

>>128
>missing the point completely
Here's your Special Gold

>>126 That's could not possibly be true because the population was growing and if during the WWII 30mil. were killed by the nazis with population before war 150mil.(or so)then by 1960 it was 170mil.
http://www.mariosousa.se/LiesconcerningthehistoryoftheSovietUnion.html
And it's not 70's anymore you need to stop believing those myths that were created during cold war as a part of american propaganda against USSR
http://clogic.eserver.org/2005/furr.html

>>38
>I can buy that Libya was aiming for democracy

Not really. Muslims generally laugh at the idea of democracy. It's almost always a tribal or clan thing with them. As soon as they get away from a dictatorship or monarchy, they let the Islamist take over and it's back to the dark ages all over again.

>>5
>>22
So let me get this straight you're evidence for you're accusation that libya should be invaded, bombed backed to the stone age, have it's assets seized and impoverished by debt and war repriations is that: You say, that wikipiedia says, that the un says, that the international court says, that according to some peices of paper written by the un (some of there actions contradicted this writting) that is an organization created by the usa to legitimize there actions thaat they did some bad stuff.

Now excuse me if I say that this is a very long stretch. Is the fact that the un allso accused him supposed to be proof in of it self? (implying that the un allways tells the truth and is incappable of lying or doing bad things?). Ones evidence should not consist entirely of further accussations unsubstantiated by any evidence whatsoever.

Essentially it is you're word against his honour, and I doubt that would stand up in any fair court as reasonable evidence and you know it.

So if you know and can prove that he has done anything wrong then prove it and I will stfu. If you don't then stop making obsurd claims that no reasonable person will believe.

And please dont insult everyone whom simply states. "what has he done, where is the evidence, why should the people of libya suffer?" in reply to youre wild accussations that you are repeating from the media.

It is the same bullshit everytime, Hear something on TV>Believe it without any proof or evidence whatsoever>Repeat what you heard and then abuse anyone who doesn't automatically believe it like you do.

The point is I am not a stupid prolleface.prollebrains whom believes everything on tv because prolleface is told to by prolle.je-media TM. And if you don't like that then fuck you. But I refuse to believe Ghadaffi or anyone else is a mean bully without evidence, and you can keep you're barbaric mob lynching attitudes to you'reself thank you very much.

And the whole pretext relies on unproven accusations against one man. These people whom speak of democracy have the highest suicide, imprisonment, wealth inequality, unemployment etc..etc.. in the world and the people whom go to the streets to complain are regularly bet to the death. Just ordinary people (the ones left that didnn't commit suicide because of there misserable lifes). Woman per capita and per women in all libya and persia are both higher in university than in usa and much of europe. While europe/usa sends its wealth and jobs overseas, Libya is building domestic wealth. While we are robbed by inflation and our wages decline in real terms, ther'es increases.

And at the end of the day all you self-loathing shit heads can do is resort to name calling on anyone whom doesn't share the jewish views implanted in youre head by the jewish media as a guise to try and hide you're insecurity when people come asking for evidence and you find that you do not actually know why you believe it only that you know beyond a doubt that it is so obviously true, and that theire must be something wrong with us for not realising it.

Well my hope is that some of you braindead drones are rehabilitatable and that we dont have to lose 80% of the population.....

>>136
>resort to name calling on anyone whom doesn't share the jewish views implanted

You seemed almost intelligent up to that point. Then you start stuttering the word Jew and start spitting out insults. You became the very thing you whine about.

Gaddafi is a typical evil Muslim dictator. He's being replaced by scum that will be just as bad. The UN is run by shit heads. Obama and the EU are a hypocrites. Muslims can't even pretend to be human for 5 minutes. Your a typical faggot.

Same old shit.

>>136
Here's the wikipedia article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muammar_Gaddafi

There are sources within it. If you suspect them to be untrustworthy, by all means, do some reading. It doesn't matter what sources back up my point though. Fucktards like you will just claim it's a conspiracy.

bombed backed to the stone age, have it's assets seized and impoverished by debt and war repriations...
You're an idiot. We're not at war with all of the Libyan people. Just the ones loyal to Gaddafi. Did the US or UN seize Iraq's assets and impose reparations on it after Saddam was ousted? We've devoted a fuck ton of resources to trying to improve Iraq and we will likely do the same in Libya. Also:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5gof4JOeLrr5AsqSS2zAl4y1RTzUA?docId=N0431701316210229303A

Choke on a cock.

>>135
Aristotle is laughing at the idea of democracy with them. And it has nothing to do with tribal or clan thing (like there is no lobbying in western "democracies").

>>137
Oh I am sorry I just thought you heard it from a jewish media organisation aka one owned by or with a jewish ceo. In which case it would make it a jewish lie. But if non-jews implanted the lie in you I appologise for the confusion. For I assumed by market share you had heard it from one of theire corporations.

Secondly people whom leavy names at people inplace of a non-existent argument are **** douches are they not, if you disagree with that or think it makes me somehow less intelligent, or invalidates any of my points please enlighten me as to the reasoning for such a thing happending.

Thirdly Everyone keeps saying Ghadifii is an evil muslim dictator but they never have any proof. Why should I believe horrible accusations about people with no evidence, and why do you keep restating the same thing when I have clearly said people shouldn't believe every bit of gossip they hear, and should seek evidence first. You state it as though it refutes my point that I see no evidence, from you or anyone claiming he is a bad person.

Calling musslims not even capable of pretending to be humans, then calling me crazy or something for saying something about jews owning alot of media companies.

No you, you are the same old shit, add nothing new to the argument, restate you're points, denounce and call me names. Call muslims non-human......


>>138
>I see wikipiedia. Wikipiedia = reliable source for you?
>Calling easily falsifiable and non-verifiable evidence which gives us no specific information unreliable makes me a fcuktard bigoted fagoot loving nazi????? Because I would imagine that calling a source which isnt reliable unreliable is only reasonable.
>There is no evidence theire is a conspiracy so why would any sane person believe theire is one let alone claim that theire is one.
>namecaller with no argument or information to back it up
>AP/PA says they unfroze assets? Verrify that? And FYI they froze libyan government assets causing financial troubles (not paying bills incurs liability) and now they have given them to the non-elected government that they helped take over libya. That money was the money of the elected government of libya. They *STOLE IT*, then *GAVE IT AWAY*, to a fake non-elected government that managed to ouste the elected government soley due to foreighn military support.

>>If you ever go to university, with sources like that I would immagine it would matter very fast what sources you use, even in america.

>>You say you aren't at war with the Libyan people, yet you drop bombs on theire cities, destroy there infrastructure, fund/arm and assist rebels which want to oust the elected government, based on the tribal democratic systems they have. And he has like 75% support, so you are only at war with 75% percent of the population, the rest I guess are terrorists and civilian casulties, or those people he apparently slaughtered?

>>139
And why don't you read the ancient greek ideas that the latin word Democracy was invented to refer to and learn its latin meaning before skipping ahead to arristotles yeah?

>>136
You're basically saying this:

"Waaah, waaah, waaah! Everything that the US is remotely involved with can't posssibly lead to bad things! The aliens did 9/11! My special teenage penis tells me that it's all a conspiracy!"

Dude, despite Gaddafi relying heavily on propaganda to control Libya, he has been pretty open with his crimes against the people, because up until recently, nobody thought that the libyan people would somehow gain the courage to fight someone that so obviously would just massacre any protesters. I'm amazed that they survived the first days. The only conspiracy going on, is in your pants.

>would somehow gain the courage to fight someone

It was a tribal civil war. It had nothing to do with freedom, truth or liberty.

>>142
If you're wrong, and this doesn't lead to freedom, truth or liberty for the libyan people when things have settled, will you chop off your own balls?

>>141
>>143
Also, I shouldn't write posts after smoking pot. I get problems with remembering which side I'm on. It's all negatives man, and I'm all positive.

>>141
Pretty much this.  Kind of like the child molester, except this time the kiddy fiddler tells his victims and their families what he's going to do.  They still put on the nice front for visiting social workers / world leaders.

I still remember the first sliver of hope in the civil war:
>How about a ceasefire?
>Sure, just need to finish off this bunch of rebels first ...

>>143
Yes I would. It's a Muslim nation in Africa. Are you fucking retarded? ARE FUCKING RETARDED ASSHOLE! It's a Muslim nation in Africa!

Shit nigger, get real. Stop being an embarrassment on /new/.

>>145
That is also normal in most Muslim nations.

Yasser Arafat did the same thing and the world yawned. Fucking little boys isn't considered to be a homosexual act in the Arab/Muslim world. You can marry 8 year old girls and fuck them to death legally.

It's only gay if do an adult male while being an adult male. Fucking children is like fucking an animal to them. They don't approve, but they are not going to stone you either. This is why so many gays end up being terrorists. They can redeem themselves and get what they want from Allah as a reward. There is a gay option in the Koran. Also, raping non-Muslims doesn't count either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q91Y19IYWI

KILL THE NATO RATS WHERE EVER YOU FIND THEM!

DEATH TO AL QAEDA AND AL JAZEERA RATS!

HANG THE FAT QATARI PIG EMIR!

ALLAH WA MUAMMAR WA LIBYA WA BAS!

GOD BLESS THE GREAT KADDAFI AND ASSAD RESISTING AND UNCOVERING THE ZIONIST PLOTS!

RATS CAN'T WIN WITHOUT NATO BOMBING THEM THEIR PATH!

LONG LIVE THE RESISTANCE!

http://ilibya.tv -- THE TRUTH!

>>148
>>149
there are loads of youtube comments like this, I'm guess gaddafi has an internet propoganda division

>>150
You just made that troll's day. Good job retard.

>>151
I'm just enriching the conversation, it's true, take a look.

youtube.com/watch?v=BIQYaA_zShI

I just got this video from google news.

Apparently most of the troll videos and troll comments are coming from within Libya itself.  Now bear in mind that since the civil war got real general access to the Internet in Libya has been cut off, with only certain government offices getting a line out.  Everyone else has been relying on using mobile phones to send video to people in other countries.

>>153
BROTHER LEADER OF THE GREAT AL-FATEH REVOLUTION IS WIDELY SUPPORTED ACROSS THE WORLD!
THE TRUE GREEN REVOLUTIONARIES ARE RESITING THE COLONIAL CRUSADER AGGRESSION AND FOREIGN MERCENARIES.
FOREIGN MERCENARIES CANNOT CRUSH THE GREAT JAMAHIRIYA!

ALLAH, MUAMMAR WA LIBYA WA BAS!

DON'T BELIEVE THE MEDIA LIES

LIBYAN REBELS ARE NATO SHILLS
9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB
PAUL IS DEAD
THERE IS NO BIELEFELD
TITANIC TRUTH NOW!

>>150
They DO have an internet propaganda division. Gaddafi has spearheaded the use of propaganda for decades.

Brother leader's speech of yesterday, September the 20th:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnBLadMQBIU

Allah, Muammar wa Libya wa bas!

>>157
Make sure to flag not only all the videos of YouTube user G2XH for the reason "Supporting Terrorism" but also his friends videos. Remember the Abu Salim massacre. Remember the countless murders under his regime.

Gaddafi isn't dead yet. That guy is one hell of a troll. :)

>>159
It's not about getting revenge on Gaddafi, it's about the liberty and welfare of Libya.