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Reading Anders Breivik's manifesto

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-24 8:46


I thought we could have a general political discussion while reading the Olso bomber/shooters 1500 manifesto in this thread.

The 2share manifesto download link was removed, so it was a bit hard to track it down. Hopefully we won't run out of mirrors.

I haven't read more than a few pages right now, but as I'm a LEFTIST anarchist/racist, I find myself disagreeing with the most basic rightwing concept:
What's so fucking special and holy about tradition and european identity? Defending things on the grounds that "it's the way it's always been" is just defending tradition against progress. It's not defending foreign immoralities, because then it would be just about those concrete things - it's defending stupidity in its purest sense. It would be like defending the NES for being "a traditional part of our country" against the Wii, to the point of wanting to ban the Wii.

Name: aramis 2011-07-27 8:46

anonymous wrote:  "traditions that Breivik complains about being destroyed, are only christian values, and have so far mostly been destroyed to give way for flexible democratic rights.

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that is because Christianity permits secularism (and so democracy) - so it permits even its own traditions to be partly destroyed - we do know that Jesus said; "Give to the God what belongs to the God and give to the Caeser (state) what belong to the Caeser(state)"- that is why  in Christian tradition separation of  the Church and State is possible, also Jesus did say "Don't juje and you'll not be jujed"....Totally different in Islam where the Sraria  should rule the state,politics, judiciary, life, marriage, dress code - everything and where it is obligation of  every muslim to juje (and punish) any discent from sharia as according to Quran if a muslim don't punish another person for "sin" against Islam, then this "sin" is on the person who have not punished it (as well as on the "sinner") and BOTH will be kept responsible by the Allah - all that results in  traditionally Christian societies to "produce" democracies with mild religious influence, but  traditional muslim societies to produce dictatorships and even theocracies with harsh religious indoctrination and behaviour control....So it is up to you to make your choice. (but looks like in Europe rulling elites have already made  its choice in favour of islam if they boost muslim influx to Europe, what do you think?). Having said all the  above I insist again that terrorist acts and musder should be CONDEMNED !!!

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