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Name: s+ !!s+5OzRVBRS4Mx+B 2011-06-26 6:38

your sociopolitical position(s), as briefly as you can.

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-01 13:46

>>40
This is where my main disagreement with you lies.
I believe this assumption comes from a belief in "original sin", which I do not believe in. I believe that presupposing and expecting people to behave in a selfish manner actually encourages that behavior, while modeling and expecting  co-operative, generous behavior encourages and generates that.
I have a lot of experience working with children and raising my own, and I have seen this very clearly.

Name: 40 2011-07-01 15:15

>while modeling and expecting  co-operative, generous behavior

Good luck implementing that! You'd be competing with a century of hearing the capitalist dogma that selfishness is good.

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-01 15:27

Anarchists love to portray anarchy as some sort of voluntary utopia.  But they always seem to leave out how these societies are policed, the most common response is to claim that we dont need police.  But I can think of no weaker argument then one that argues against the evidence of the entire history of our species.  Further I would like to hear how one protects from foreign invaders who would seek to extinguish your people or to take all your natural resources.

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-01 16:16

>>43
People would defend their own communities with their own arms and willpower. It would be a co-operative militia.

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-01 21:26

>>42
Living and raising a kid in Berkeley, CA makes it a lot easier, believe me!

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-02 10:11

>>44
You think an untrained militia would be all it took to police the nation and keep out foreign invaders? LOL

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-02 18:40

>>46
If we raised the total population of America into a militia, even if just the males, we could probably defend it.

Considering there's only about 1-2 million Americans in the world as is.

And for policing, most crimes are drug/money related so that wouldn't be a problem. Being that those sorts of crimes only happened in capitalism.

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-03 10:54

>>31
implying that isn't exactly how it is with nations anyway. Forceful revolution has become physically impossible in the west.

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-03 12:13

>>47
1-2 million Americans?
huh?

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-03 12:16

>>48
We have a legal system. Within our country the law is not might equals right. Only on the geopolitical scale does military might become a factor and economic warfare is more prevalent then violent war.

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-04 3:47

>>40
so basically you think everyone is a cunt just because you are?

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-04 11:38

>>46
you're a fascist nationalist shithead. That is all.

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-04 12:05

>>51
Lawl, nice response. Shows how little substance there is to your argument. What the poster was trying to express is the dividing of labor and how without a system you get an asymmetric system which won't function properly

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-04 12:11

>>52
Oh boy, keep the ad hominems coming.  I'm neither fascist nor nationalist.  The reality is that there are those kind of people out there and as James madison said "ambition must be made to counteract ambition" we have  our freedoms because our fathers fought for it, they had to fight for it because the forces of tyranny have no qualms about killing to maintain control either.

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-04 15:58

>>54
>I'm neither fascist nor nationalist.
Then you must be a retard.

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-04 16:10

>>23
>Solution: intermarry
So whites are the only race on this planet to develop any civilization, yet somehow destroying our genes with race mixing is a "solution" ??

Also
>thinking resource depletion exists.

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-04 17:34

>>56
The solution to your racial fears is to intermarry.
Infiltrate the non-whites and mess up their non-whiteness. The Romans totally had a grasp on this concept. It is possible to white-out genetics.

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-04 17:56

>>57
Filthy fucking jew spotted.

Name: 57 2011-07-04 18:01

>>58
Haha , wow. You are really bad at that.
Turns out that I'm French, English, German, and Dutch, not that I give a fuck. And my partner is Polish, Irish, and Native American, so.

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-05 0:57

>>49
I meant in the armed forces.

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-05 19:30

>>39
Free and happy until a man breaks into his house to steal his stuff, and with no police force to track the thief down a mob is formed to find the culprit. Sadly with no court system to decide if one was guilty or not an innocent man was found guilty on the presumption he had fenced the goods and with no prison to send him to they lynched him because it was the only level of justice available.
>>38
Joe Anarchists world sounds like an Agrarian shit hole. Also what happens when people don't want to volunteer for work? What happens when someone eats all the apples because there is no cost to them and as such demand for all goods exceeds supply? Your fairy tale story is exactly that. Fiction.

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-05 21:07

>>61
Why would they steal his stuff when he could just get the same shit for free anyways in an anarchist society, given that money no longer exists?

The motivation for crime goes away when you do away with money, authority and the government.

People work because it gets fucking boring doing nothing all the time. After 2 years of playing call of duty and sitting around the home doing fuck all, people get tired and start working. Why do you think retired people still work when they could live comfortably doing nothing the rest of their lives? Because it gets BORING.

Anarchy is exactly what libertarians dream of - getting the sweat of your brow, instead of letting your exploiting employer have it.

Anyways, capitalism is such a self-centered system, it would be easy to knock it off it's balance and snowball and revolution right in those fatcat's faces.

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-05 21:45

>>62
>Why would they steal his stuff when he could just get the same shit for free anyways in an anarchist society, given that money no longer exists?
So everyone drives a Ferrari in this society?
>The motivation for crime goes away when you do away with money, authority and the government.
"some people just want to watch the world burn" What about the criminally insane? etc etc
>People work because it gets fucking boring doing nothing all the time. After 2 years of playing call of duty and sitting around the home doing fuck all, people get tired and start working. Why do you think retired people still work when they could live comfortably doing nothing the rest of their lives? Because it gets BORING.
I don't even know where to begin to address this point but I'll give it a shot. People work because it allows them a better standard of living, the majority of people who go to university do so because they know they will have better job prospects on the other side where they can attain more wealth. It is this acquisition of value that drives us onwards to succeed in life dependant upon what that value is. I have met more than enough people in my country living in the welfare trap where they are more than content to sit on their backside all day playing COD and smoking pot.
>Anarchy is exactly what libertarians dream of - getting the sweat of your brow, instead of letting your exploiting employer have it.
Anarchy is absolutley no means to earn the sweat of your brow when you are given exactly the same rewards as someone who works either a far less strenuous job or none at all gets exactly the same as you.
>Anyways, capitalism is such a self-centered system, it would be easy to knock it off it's balance and snowball and revolution right in those fatcat's faces.
Be my guest, most people realize that free market capitalism is by far the most fair and rewarding method of distribution of wealth this planet has known. in 300 years it dragged the world from medieval feudalism to the beginnings of the 20th century.

Also what the dicks is with this "no money"? You do understand why we have currency right?

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-05 22:16

>>62
YEAH!
*astral high five*

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-05 22:19

>>63
"Imagine there's no money/ I wonder if you can / no need for greed or hunger / a brotherhood of man"

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-05 22:40

>>65
You do realize money is a necessary part of modern society right? and with out it people would be bartering for goods? Because demand for resources outstrips supply and there has to be an equilibrium? You do understand this extraordinarily basic concept of economics?

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-06 3:32

>>66
Wtf do you think paying for something with money is besides bartering using a substitute?

No point responding to delusional commies who think that in some magical utopia work and value and scarcity will disappear.

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-06 17:40

>>66
This is why communism only works in a society of abundance.

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-06 18:38

>>6
I do not believe that money is necessary, no. Trade is equally viable. In fact, except for utilities, most of my expenses are paid for with trade.
 This is much more viable and flexible and personal, and does not rely on a piece of paper backed by nothing but the word of a fully corrupt system.

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-06 19:36

>>68
Communism wouldn't work in a society of abundance, it would collapse because it is inherently contradictory and flawed.

Name: 69 2011-07-08 12:56

The >>6 should be >>66

Name: Ω 2011-07-08 22:19

I believe in individual liberties above all else. Damn the cost in blood, and sure as hell damn the economic cost. Give me liberty or give me death, and give death to any CEOs who try to curtail my freedoms for their bottom line.

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-08 22:38

post communist free market

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-09 0:59

>>72

give my death to any CEO for their bottom line

fify

Name: Anonymous 2011-07-11 15:23

>>69
So what happens when you want something that someone else has but they don't want anything of yours? You have to go hunting around to trade with someone who wants something of yours and has something they want to trade with. What happens when they realize they are able to trade you something at a much higher price than what you would of been able to simply pay the guy you originally wanted to trade with? Money eliminates middle men, increases trade, and encourages higher levels of economic growth through the reduction of trade barriers. Deal with it.

Name: SFBE 2011-07-11 17:05

Um, piece of shit? >:

Name: s+ !!s+5OzRVBRS4Mx+B 2011-07-11 20:34

>>72
BROFIST

but we are a dying breed in the brave new world.

Name: Ω 2011-07-11 22:42

>>77

APPROVED.

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Name: Anonymous 2011-07-14 6:02

>>78
i like you.

Name: Ω 2011-07-14 15:09

>>79
i dont

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