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The Oppressors!
Mirroring the beliefs of the oppressors? Violence was not invented by the owner class, it was invented by the universe; by nature. Violence is a total solution, complete in its finality. Only the reasons for violence are the 'beliefs of the oppressors,' and they are not at all mirrored in militancy against them. Violence for liberty, for self-determination, for blind and true justice, and all the other peacocked justifications for revolution - whatever you think of them, there is no way these things can be said to be what the oppressors and exploiters of this world initiate violence for.
| Slippery Slope! If you have a successful revolution you'll be a violent despot!
Cool story, bro. I'm sure your non-violent methods will do much better at stepping up just as their capitalist pyramid scheme collapses to supply a new economy in perfect working order to provide for 7 billion people. Certainly no despots will rise up in that situation to rule with violent fists. I like how this argument isn't actually cemented in any kind of logic at all.
In fact, it will be the pacifists who condemn the militant people of their own ideology as an 'embarrassment' while the fascists and autocrats rise up. You're the embarrassment and a demerit to whatever ideologies you people belong to. Unfortunately it's almost always the left in latter times and as a result we've been castrated and kept disorganized and impotent to resist as our rights are sacked and our victories eroded. Cool to see all those working poor without healthcare and working 12 hour days at two jobs. You're doing real bang up work.
Those who start wars don't suffer in them.
This is true in these days, but I've been operating on the scenario of a neighboring clan or tribe threatening violence as per the offered hypothetical. In which case those who started the wars would be suffering in them.
And people are responsible for the leaders they have. Even in an industrial society, the people mandate the kind of leaders they want. 1932 Germany mandated the rise of the Nazis and spurred them ever onwards as long as things were going well. Only when things started to go poorly did they start griping. You know how people in Africa and elsewhere are being tricked into killing their babbies by Nestle? Well they don't organize, so they deserve it, don't they? It's not like they don't have breast milk. They choose to believe Nestle's campaign, and their babbies die. You'd think they'd fucking learn, but they don't. I have a hard time having sympathy for people that stupid. It goes just as much for those in the developed world who choose sociopathic politicians. The people are to blame for their own stupidity and torpid pacifism to the kind of evil they see around them. You call me evil, but I call you ten times more evil for standing by condemning those who would oppose evil with violence rather than joining in.