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Welfare vs Charity

Name: Anonymous 2010-01-05 7:54

This issue bothers me more than anything nowadays, so let's have debate.

So why should a person be FORCED to help someone else? If someone needs help, they can always ask for charity.

Name: Anonymous 2010-01-09 20:59

So on goes the sniping and the absolute avoidance of the two main points that I have reiterated again and again:
1.  Why so selfish?  The OP has even admitted that greed is a principle motivator in his system.  The system that has functioned for a long time, but has never managed to feed the millions of starving people in the world, and what's worse, driven us to a precipice over which is a world of death and starvation the likes of which is unparalleled in written history.  and
2.  Taxes are never taken from anyone without their consent.  We are not forced to pay taxes.  Long before we're faced with taxes we are forced to align ourselves with a contemporary nation.  The world the current economic system was designed to work for no longer exists.  When "economics" was developed there were still frontiers.  There was still an out. The antiquated basic economic liturgy that I keep hearing is based on an open system with unlimited opportunity.  Unlimited resources.  It's the 21st century, not the 18th.  All of the worlds available resources, at least those accessible by individuals or even small groups of people, are spoken for.  Now we are in a closed system, and the idea that opportunity has remained constant is ridiculous.  Imagine 100 people locked in a room with 100 gallons of water.  To represent the current distribution of wealth in America we shall give 42 gallons to one person, 27 gallons to 4 people.  11 gallons to 5 people, and 12 gallons to 10 people.  The other 80 people will have to split the remaining 8 gallons. You would have us believe that the 10 people who have 80 gallons earned them, deserve them, and that the best way to keep the system working is to tell everyone that someday they may have 42 gallons to themselves.  You show them photos of these people bathing and swimming and squandering the water, and give empty dreams to those dying of thirst.  But like the witchcraft you call economics, it's a lie.  There is no more water.  Some of the water barons even have the nerve to sell water that doesn't exist.  Nice system.  Run on greed.  Thanks, Mr. Gekko.
You operate from a 230 year old playbook and call me retarded.  You and your greedy cohorts are retarding the progress of humanity.  Now I suppose you're gonna want to go back to sniping at selected points, so I'll address what should be your first bullshit objection.  That I'm not taking technological innovation into account.  "Hey", you might say, "the PC was invented by two guys in a garage, and now their among the wealthiest people in the world!", but you're  forgetting a few things.  The technology that led to the PC could only have been developed by governments and the research facilities of large corporations dependent on governments and other large corporations.  Because of the corporate climate created by the current economic system, this kind of innovation is rare.  Certainly significant, but certainly not the norm.  And most significantly, people are still fucking homeless and hungry!  When is this charity gonna kick in?  Huh?  Fuck you.  You're either one of the bastards who fool the average morons into believing that "They too can one day have everything if they just work hard enough" or you're one of the dumb bastards who are falling for it.  Either way, you should be ashamed.

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