How do you feel about the past 8 years?

Just answer. Anon doesn't care who you're voting for. Personal experiences only. No neo-con vs liberal faggotry. Just answer.

I've been unemployed for most of the past 8 years. I need CHANGE.

I've done real well in every aspect of my life in the last 8 yrs.

I have made some fuckups, and that makes my current situation kinda suck, but Lord knows that it isn't anyone else's fault but mine.

On the other hand, I have been making some progress with regards to my investments and credit rating, so if the next 4 years are like the previous two years, I will be in pretty good shape.

Personally I am deeply ashamed of my country and where it's headed. Personally I am looking for change, real change not pig in lipstick "change".

>>5
I'm only ashamed of half of my country. The half that votes for commie nigger Obama.

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samefags and dumbfags need to GTFO

50 years from now, history will remember George Walker Bush as the greatest American president in the history of the world. No one could have predicted how far-sighted he was in paving the way towards a free, democratic Middle East that has progressed its way towards peace and prosperity, hand-in-hand with its greatest friend, the United States of America.

To this day in the Middle East, people speak in hushed, respectful tones when speaking of the Great Leader Bush, who led his country in a difficult, yet rewarding crusade to liberate their land from ignorance and oppression. Now his name and the land of America is praised and revered throughout the region as millions pray in gratitude to Allah for giving the world the greatest American president who ever lived - George W. Bush.

>>8
Could happen, but I seriously fucking doubt it.

>>9
If you look at how FDR is treated outside of libertarian and fiscal conservative circles, he's seen as one of the top 3 presidents in our history.  This despite that his economic policies did nothing to alleviate the Great Depression and might have actually lengthened its duration, trying to stack SCOTUS with 3 more justices so that they would deem his mostly unconstitutional New Deal as constitutional, and actually locking up American citizens in internment camps.  The parts of the New Deal that still remain are bloated and could force the US to eventually repudiate the debt. 

Compare this to the worst that George W. has done during some of the hardest 8 years to be an American president and it seems likely that you'll see a memorial for him on the Washington mall just like FDR.  Hell, lots of Africans are naming their babies George Bush.

I feel the past 8 years don't matter to the .00001891% of the people who choose the next president, and this election is no different.  Telecom companies are immune to prosecution, so tell us how much we can expect in kickbacks instead, otherwise we'll sell our stock for pennies.

I'm ashamed of America, and began to see how the economic hegemony will end should republican policies continue to apply. We're already screwed up and in debt. And the cultural hegemony ended already, as the world hates us thanks to our retarded foreign policy and evident greed. We'll only retain the military hegemony, which McCain would gladly enhance due to political and personal economic interests, and we'll become a richer Iran: military powerful, full of religious zealots, not so good with anything else, and the world hates us.

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Well I can say I've never jumped on the Bush hating bandwagon. People will soon look at things in a historical context, if they are not smart enough to see the bigger picture already. They will ask why did Clinton do NOTHING when al-Qaeda bombed the WTC in 1993? Why did Clinton do NOTHING when al-Qaeda bombed the US embassies in Africa in 1998? Did his cowardly inaction make 9/11 inevitable? Nobody can accuse Bush of inaction. The worst they can say is he took too much action.

The last 8 years only prove that the next President will just get away with outright murder.  Obama?  McCain?  It doesn't matter who it is ... as long as the goal is killing, then that person will be forgiven anything he does.

Within 8 years, states will start passing laws authorizing SWAT teams to conduct no-knock and no-warrant searches of U.S. homes -- which will largely be nationalized under a cabinet-level National Housing Administration, anyway.  The public will take all those government grants and such, thereby giving up their right to private property and all that that entails as civil rights.

All empires destroy themselves.  It's inevitable.

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The Roman empire didn't destroy itself. It split but it wasn't destroyed.

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So, when scholars talk about the rise and FALL of the Roman Empire, you probably get all smug and snappily think they're just a bunch of fucking morons, eh?

History's not your strong suit.  It's not even a suit, for you.  Stick to what you know best, like masturbation and video games.

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Then where are the Romans today? Have you seen them around? What's Caesar up to?

Oh yeah, they're gone because Rome fell more than a thousand years ago.

>>16
Strawman logical fallacy.
I never contended the fact that the roman empire fell. I contended your assertion "empires destroy themselves".

Admit you are wrong RedCream, it's not difficult. In 8th grade I got a math question wrong, my teacher disproved me and I had no problem admitting I was wrong. Are you telling me you are less mature than a 12 year old?

>>17
You're taking the statement out of context. I meant

"The Roman empire didn't destroy itself. It split itself but it didn't destroy itself."

>>17
The Roman Empire survived until 1806.

>>20
No it didn't. It fell in 476. What you are talking about is the Holy Roman Empire which began in 800 and it's territory was basically just greater Germany. Rome wasn't even part of it.

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The assertion of "ALL empires destroy themselves" is perfectly true from the least examination of world history, so it's particularly mysterious why you insist that I have to admit being wrong.  If I'm 169% correct about something, why would an admission of being wrong be required?  Answer:  It isn't.

And to your last question, the answer is that what I'm telling you is independent of any determination of my maturity.  ALL EMPIRES DESTROY THEMSELVES.  Their very rise to power is their undoing.  Humans are not imperial in the long term.  Humans are TRIBAL.

Read up on some Jared Diamond and get back to us once your mouth stops emitting noises much like an anus would make.

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It was the legal successor to the Roman Empire.

Everything will be okay, once America buys up all the bad debt in America, we can get back to good republican business.

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Yes, let's just "print and pretend", since somehow -- and in clear violation of all economic law -- things will simply return to normal without the gamblers and taxpayers taking it in the shorts.

I still see people thinking that "print and pretend" will have ZERO consequences.  Fucking gaylords!  Hyperinflation or strong deflation, those numbnuts will find out soon enough about CONSEQUENCE!

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"perfectly true from the least examination of world history"
Saying so won't make it true. It's funny how you are quick to cite instances of goebellian propoganda to back up your conspiracy theories but then resort to repeating something over and over when your ego is at stake.

"Their very rise to power is their undoing"
Undoing is not the same as destruction.
"Read up on some Jared Diamond"
Why? Are you going to explain your reasoning to us or just maintain that you're right?

The Roman empire was destroyed by invading Ottomans in 1453, therefore it's destruction cannot be fully attributed to itself. Admit you are wrong.

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There is no empire that has even existed that hasn't been destroyed by it's own rise to power.  My proof is every empire.  All it would take to disprove that assertion would be to poast a simple refutation.  But you can't do that, since no refutation exists, since all empires have fallen due to internal corruption that allowed the external enemies to incur.

And:  Undoing IS destruction since an empire runs on EXPANSION.  As soon as you stop the expansion, you DESTROY the empire.

And:  You're not going to pick up a book at all, right?  You just admitted that you're not going to check on my statements.  Therefore you're just an advocate of a position which is not supported by evidence.  YOU'RE DISMISSED.

P.S.  The Roman Empire was hardly destroyed in 1453 since it ceased to exist as a formal entity back around 500 AD.  YOU=PWNT.  You may as well say that the Vatican is the last remaining organ of the Roman Empire, for all your so-called logic.

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Well the Roman empire was defeated by the Ottomans so clearly not every empire destroyed itself. Also define "empire", if the Roman empire ended in 500 AD because the Roman Emperor Constantine reformed it and moved the capital to Constantinople then your idea of empire is not a political-economic-military entity.

The Vatican is not an organ of the Roman Empire. During the Iconoclasm it split from the Roman Empire.

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Since empires do not inevitably destroy themselves, with no opposition they could last indefinately. In fact the US appears to be doing this, even China is set to become a satellite state.

Imperial defeats come at the hands of enemies largely created by imperialism.  YOU=PWNT.  The Roman Empire was weakened by internal forces entirely related to imperialism.  YOU=PWNT, AGAIN.

All Empires fall.  They work HARD to destroy themselves, since constant and violent growth CANNOT be sustained.

Gawd, you Westerner FUCKS are goddamn DUMB.  You live in one of the most evil empires to ever have existed, so you can't even see it.  You're the best educated IMPERIAL MORONS to have ever existed.  You can make quantum logic gates and isolate single electrons, but you can't see your own evil empire roll over Central America like a Nazi horde.  BLIND!

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Unfortunately without opposition imperialism only serves to unite peoples and with the US permitting freedoms, low taxes and a very plural culture this is inevitable. The Roman empire was weakened because they were not Americans in other words.

Permitting freedoms?  Only for the wealthy.

Low taxes?  At least 40% of the working man's pay is confiscated at all levels of government by taxes, assessments and fees.

Very plural culture?  Just take a walk down one of "those" neighborhoods, White boy.

AN EMPIRE IS NOT A UNITER.  It always elevates certain classes above others.  Once the external aggression maximizes, it ALWAYS turns the top, domestic classes against the lower.

Gawd, you are DUMB.  You MUST have been educated in one of the Western indoctrination centers (i.e. universities).

everytime I think about Bush cheating to beat Gore I rage. It's awesome because I forget about it occasionally and say "The Clinton years were awesome. It's amazing that Bush wo-FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK"

GWB 4 more years...if only we could.
He is a God amongst men.

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GWB is pretty cool guy, eh kills muzzies an doesnt afraid of anyhting.

>>32 Very plural culture?  Just take a walk down one of "those" neighborhoods, White boy.

REDCREAM IS A RACIST AND ALSO PROBABLY A FURRY AND A GAYWAD

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You are the archetypal smug cynic, the basis for all your arguments are how controversial they are.

Only for the wealthy. Oh yeah, poor Chinese have much more freeom than poor Americans.

Low taxes? US taxes are much lower than those in Europe and Canada.

Very plural culture? The fact those neighbourhoods and shit like the NAACP and united negro college fund exist is proof the US has a plural culture.

AN EMPIRE IS NOT A UNITER So where's this special tax Japanese and Germans must pay to their US masters?

Gawd, you are DUMB. Where exactly have you seen my opinion before? Universities are not exactly full of conformists who love the establishment and support imperialism.

>>37
This is FailCream's schtick.  He's trolling.  You're biting.  This is entertainment to him.  He takes one position in one thread, then takes the opposite position in another, whatever will get him attention and lulz.

A few minutes with Google reveals that he likewise trolls Slashdot as LaCosaNostradamus and Kuro5hin as Peahippo, and various other boards.  You can glean other personal information about him also, which I wouldn't dream of repeating in a place like this.

He's an active and energetic troll, but not a very skilled one.  He's certainly not in the same league as Bob Allisat or Raoul Xemblinosky.  He's persistent, though.  Maybe this is his hobby.

>>37
The French have free health care, free college, they have one of the top 5 health care systems in the world, and they pay less taxes than you Americans. French pay 19% income tax. Americans pay at least 22%

What exactly are you getting for your tax dollars? Bail outs for rich CEOs? A useless war in Iraq? Hundreds of millions in earmarks for corrupt Alaskan politicians? Enjoy your broken system and high tax rate with nothing to show for it.

>>38
The delicious irony of all that is I've fundamentally trolled YOU, and you don't even fucking realize it.  Gawd, I just LOVE IT when I bury you smuggists so deeply in trollayers that you'll NEVAR get out of it all.

Need I say it?  FUCKING WIN.  REDCREAM IS WIN.

>>39
And the sad thing is that 95% of the Americans who read your poasting will just hear:  "LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA!"

The were told they're the best country on earth for all time, and they fucking BELIEVE IT.  That's the nature of a stupid fucking empire:  The deeply-ingrained indoctrination against all sense.

DOZENS of other nations deliver better health care for less money per capita than the U.S. does.  Americans commonly dismiss that hard fact by claiming they have "the best health-care system on Earth".  That shows quite clearly that Americans spend 99% of their time in the most blatant denial ever seen in the history of the Human race.