Obama and the Second Amendment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifEg1aq6Emo
http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=3991

OBAMA VOTED AGAINST LEGISLATION IN 2004 TO PROTECT HOMEOWNERS WHO USED A FIREARM FOR PROTECTION IN CIRCUMSTANCES OF HOME INVASION!

Must see - Obama is an anti-gun leftist.  This is NOT change we can believe in.

Oh, I must apologize - I did not see your reply >>38.

I have to disagree, as a majority, if Canadians do leave the country for medical care, we go down to our friends in Cuba, it is much more affordable and the quality of service is on par with your own.

The right to self defence is just that, defending your person, with your person. Not defending yourself with a weapon that could kill, to plead self defence one must use only as much force as required to get out of the situation - A firearm won't (or at least should not) count, because it will go way over the requirements for escape.

Its not a matter of trust, its human nature - Humans, given weapons, will want to play with them - On each other. Remove the weapons, put them under the control of people disciplined to only use them when required and you have peace. It makes sense.

>>41
How about removing the niggers and the wetbacks instead, as they are the root of the problem?

>>30
1.  If you have the time and inclination I highly recommend reading the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, along with the Bill of Rights.  It'll help you understand the situation the country is in, and if nothing else they're among the world's greatest written works - worth reading just for the heck of it.

2.  Since we both agree the drug polices are out of whack, wouldn't it make sense to fix those, BEFORE dealing with the issue of guns?  The effect wouldn't be immediate, but it would reduce a great deal of violent crime in the country, and people would have less reason to need guns for protection.  But still, given the prevailing attitudes and the abysmal education on the subject it'll be monumental task to fix drug policies.

3.  Just because something is old doesn't mean it's not useful.  And in fact I think the 2nd Amendment is more important now than ever.  The government is MUCH larger now than it ever was, and it's increasingly intrusive in the lives of the citizens.  The past eight years alone have been an atrocity with regard to the constitution and civil liberties.  The people of the nation are entitled to protect themselves from a government gone mad.  It's what safeguards the nation from becoming a hellhole like China or Russia.

I believe you're placing FAR too much faith in government, assuming the people in it are all just chummy and nice.  The truth is, people who seek out political power always want more.  And if there's nothing to keep them in check they can do whatever they want.  I don't know how things work in Canada, but corruption and lies ALWAYS finds tehir way into politics.  It doesn't matter how "modern" the system is, people will abuse it.

>>41
Firstly, why is it that you Canadians never acknowledge that some people in your country have to wait obscene amounts of time to receive important medical procedures?  No one ever seems to recall that one of your judges ruled that a place on a waiting list is not the same as actual heath care.
The only real thing you have going for your current system is the affordablity of prescription drugs.  When it comes to actual medical procedures you fail miserably.  (That's why world leaders come to America when they are sick, not Canada).

>>Its not a matter of trust, its human nature - Humans, given weapons, will want to play with them - On each other. Remove the weapons, put them under the control of people disciplined to only use them when required and you have peace. It makes sense.

You can't really prove this since no one reports crimes/murders that don't happen.  And even if you were to take away all guns people would just start hurting one another with knives or large rocks.

>>43
1.) If I continue to have to refer to issues like this within it, I may take a look at it - I do agree, I am at a bit of a disadvantage when it comes to people quoting it. But, I cannot see that most Americans know it by heart as well. And I do agree, it is some piece of work!

2.) If I know correctly, drugs are more of a state thing - And yes they are out of wack even if they're a Federal responsbility. However they're more of a cultural shift that will go through soon no matter what. (When the majority of the population is using them in some way or another - There will be change).

As for changing it and seeing the gun control come as a consequence of that change, I don't think it would. While drugs are involved in a large amount of violence, they're just a bit of it - Gun violence will remain steady even if the drug aspect is removed.

3.) Yes, the Constitution should be respected, but as I said - It was made back in the 18th century and it just isn't prepared for our modern life and it needs to be wrote so that it does. Don't have 'the oldest legal constituion' hold you back from recreating it to fit your world more perfectly, it just wouldn' tbe fair to everyone in the nation if you did.

I would point out such lacking items as a Human Rights section/clause in your constitution as a big part of your problems right now, in it it just doesn't layout exactly what peoples modern rights are.

To close, I do put extensive faith in the government, in a democracy it is elected, it is watched, the people are involved and the officials and staff cannot 'get away' with much. There may be corruption, but since government works in a huge scale, peer checking should make it all work out.

>>44
Oh, there is problems with the Canadian medical care, I'll be the first to admit - But at least we have it, and we don't have to go into debt to use it. Once you get in however, our medical care is spot on and at the top - I Don't know why you think it isn't. And yet again, we go to Cuba a huge majority more than to America.

>>You can't really prove this since no one reports crimes/murders that don't happen.

You can, look at the average age, look at the happiness, look at the productivity - It'll show there in its increase from the lack of people brutally murdering.

A lot of shootings happen by inexperienced people, or people that really aren't professional criminals, but in the head of the moment killed/hurt someone. Remove the easiest way and it starts getting gorey and bloody and a lot of people will sober up at that thought of having to bash in someones brains all over the floor.

>>43
1.) If I continue to have to refer to issues like this within it, I may take a look at it - I do agree, I am at a bit of a disadvantage when it comes to people quoting it. But, I cannot see that most Americans know it by heart as well. And I do agree, it is some piece of work!

2.) If I know correctly, drugs are more of a state thing - And yes they are out of wack even if they're a Federal responsbility. However they're more of a cultural shift that will go through soon no matter what. (When the majority of the population is using them in some way or another - There will be change).

As for changing it and seeing the gun control come as a consequence of that change, I don't think it would. While drugs are involved in a large amount of violence, they're just a bit of it - Gun violence will remain steady even if the drug aspect is removed.

3.) Yes, the Constitution should be respected, but as I said - It was made back in the 18th century and it just isn't prepared for our modern life and it needs to be wrote so that it does. Don't have 'the oldest legal constituion' hold you back from recreating it to fit your world more perfectly, it just wouldn' tbe fair to everyone in the nation if you did.

I would point out such lacking items as a Human Rights section/clause in your constitution as a big part of your problems right now, in it it just doesn't layout exactly what peoples modern rights are.

To close, I do put extensive faith in the government, in a democracy it is elected, it is watched, the people are involved and the officials and staff cannot 'get away' with much. There may be corruption, but since government works in a huge scale, peer checking should make it all work out.

>>44
Oh, there is problems with the Canadian medical care, I'll be the first to admit - But at least we have it, and we don't have to go into debt to use it. Once you get in however, our medical care is spot on and at the top - I Don't know why you think it isn't. And yet again, we go to Cuba a huge majority more than to America.

>>You can't really prove this since no one reports crimes/murders that don't happen.

You can, look at the average age, look at the happiness, look at the productivity - It'll show there in its increase from the lack of people brutally murdering.

A lot of shootings happen by inexperienced people, or people that really aren't professional criminals, but in the head of the moment killed/hurt someone. Remove the easiest way and it starts getting gorey and bloody and a lot of people will sober up at that thought of having to bash in someones brains all over the floor.

COMRADE POLITIK YOU ARE NICE I LIKE YOU

>>45
You haven't read the US Constitution, then.

Its "human rights" section is Amendments 1 through 10.

People who appear unable to differentiate between real and unreal experiences, logical and illogical thoughts, or appropriate and inappropriate behavior may be diagnosed by a health professional as suffering from schizophrenia. Their opinion are not supported or rejected by laboratory tests, and may be mistaken for other problems (such as allergies to common foods).

Schizophrenia is an opinion, a label, applied to people who appear to lose contact with a cultural or shared reality. No cure for schizophrenia is accepted by Western medicine. If people diagnosed with schizophrenia find lasting drug-free solutions - it wasn't schizophrenia.

The duration of symptoms is critical. A combination of bizarre behavior, disorganized speech, decreased expressiveness and/or social withdrawal may follow a few days of sleep deprivation (for example following flights from Hawaii to Europe) and last a few days. The same symptoms, if lasting for a few months, may be diagnosed as schizophrenia.

The terrible label of schizophrenia, as much as the symptoms, can devastate lives. Many people labeled as schizophrenic kill themselves, and many more attempt suicide.
 

In Soviet Russia, some dissidents were diagnosed with schizophrenia without symptoms and were imprisoned. Similar phenomena may occur in military organizations and prisons, and in other cult-like organizations. People with views not accepted by the leaders may be defined as sick.

Psychosis is exaggerated normality!
Teresa Mocna
 

The symptoms associated with schizophrenia can impair a person’s ability to work, study, enjoy relationships, or take care of oneself. Some people diagnosed with schizophrenia are hospitalized to prevent them harming themselves - or others. Tragically, many homeless street people seem to exhibit symptoms associated with schizophrenia, but cannot afford medical treatment or specialized care.

The medical and the systemic coaching models are different in how behavior is perceived and interpreted. Yet medicine and Soulwork both start from observed symptoms and both aim to provide appropriate treatment via accurate diagnosis. Ana Pejcinova, PhD
 

Schizophrenia Symptoms
Symptoms of schizophrenia can be arranged into three overlapping groups: positive symptoms (excesses of thought, emotion and behavior), negative symptoms (deficits of emotion and behavior) and psychomotor symptoms. While positive symptoms can often be treated with antipsychotic drugs, negative and psychomotor symptoms may prevent people living independently. These symptoms may limit personal or working relationships, and disrupt everyday social events.

The more obvious positive symptoms are inappropriate behaviors: unexpected movements and disorganized speech, describing delusions (for example of persecution), heightened perceptions and hallucinations. These symptoms indicate chaotic internal organization and an inability to differentiate between subjective thinking and objective reality.

The so-called negative symptoms or deficits may seem to show a lack of interest in other people and in the world. Their inexpressive faces, monotonic and monosyllabic speech, few gestures, inability to feel pleasure or act spontaneously may motivate other people to shy away.

The psychomotor symptoms include awkward movements, repeated grimaces and unusual gestures. These symptoms may take the extreme form called catatonia, and include stupor, rigidity and posturing. Some movements may appear to be made for magical or religious reasons.

People labeled as schizophrenia often research the symptoms - and become depressed or suicidal. This depression can be a reaction to their diagnosis - not to their symptoms.
 

Most symptoms associated with schizophrenia develop between the ages of 15 and 30. This is the age range where most people wish to commence a committed partnership leading to parenthood. Some people cannot consider partnership or parenthood due to identity issues and toxic relationship bonds. Their abreaction to this lost chance of happiness may be severe; and they may cling to their symptoms to justify their inability to communicate.

My son was diagnosed with schizophrenia and takes drugs to control his symptoms ... However he likes his symptoms and sometimes stops taking his drugs to enjoy "other-world" communications that he does not want to lose. IR, Warsaw, Poland
 

Symptoms often become less severe as people grow older. About 25% of people with symptoms of schizophrenia become symptom-free later in life, perhaps as the genetic imperatives and emotional demands for partnership and parenthood are diminished or replaced.

Suicide . Bipolar Disorder . Depression . Mental Illness

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Coaches don’t “treat” mental health disorders

Coaches are collaborators rather than experts

Therapy focuses on a person’s past; coaching focuses on the present and future

Coaching focuses on a person’s whole life; psychotherapy targets specific symptoms

Therapy seeks to fix unresolved issues; coaching helps people be involved with their lives

Therapists may seek theories and treatment plans; coaches seek the person's own wisdom

We coach some people with schizophrenic symptoms to express their feelings appropriately and how to adjust their voices and facial expressions with family members and in other relationships. This may include rehearsing various social interactions and exploring the emotions that surface.

In the end - we become who we pretend to be
 

Consult a physician about any opinions about schizophrenia or other medical conditions.

>>48
I suppose I stated that incorrectly, yes - Your nation does have human rights, but they're lacking, your refusal to adapt or implement any of the UNDR for the most part really shows your inability to deal with the rights of the people in your nation.

>>50
Our Constitution is a model and example for the world.

What are rights, if not the obligations of the state toward the citizen under the social contract?  What would be the benefit of tearing up the social contract and beginning anew?  We already have a state with more and better obligations to its people than any competitor I can think of.

>>51
Your Constitution as a model and an example to the world, three hundred years ago. Now it is lacking and has been outdone by most Western nations.

As for a better competitor, look North - Healthcare, social security, all the stuff that you as a nation should giving your people, but missing is there. Or perhaps Sweden, or most European countries. Around the world most first world nations take better care of their citizens than America.

>>52
Nice try, Comrade Sukadik.
Nobody believes any of that bullshit about Canada being good at anything.

CANADA IS FAIL.

>>52
Those are not rights.  Freedom of speech, of religion, freedom to associate, the right to self defense, the right to trial by jury, the right of habeas corpus, these are examples for the world.

Speaking of freedom of speech, in Canada and most of Europe it is illegal to say certain things in a public place, is it not?  People have been arrested for asking the wrong questions about the Holocaust, for saying the wrong things about Arab immigrants, etc.

And they are political prisoners, because they have been imprisoned for their beliefs.

As long as Canada jails people for holding politically incorrect beliefs, I think you might want to refrain from lecturing us.  Lecture us about freedom and civil rights when you no longer have "hate speech" laws, not before.  Don't you agree?