Liberal Fascism

It has been said before that Hitler was a socialist, and that the Nazis were socialists/leftists. 

Just came across an awesome book by Jonah Goldberg that is very relevant to this topic and explains why fascism is a phenomena of the left, not of the right as is commonly believed.

The book is here: 
http://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Fascism-American-Mussolini-Politics/dp/0385511841/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1212735927&sr=8-1

Here's some interesting interviews with him: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on-qPdxcuG0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J30-eYb9SlE

A speech: 
http://myheritagemedia.org/gallery.asp?action=viewimage&categoryid=1&imageid=3524

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dict.asp?Word=fascism
"a.  A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism."

Stringent socioeconomic controls (big government/nanny statism),  censorship (such as the regulations advocated by liberals lately masquerading as campaign finance reform), centralization of government power  (big national government as opposed to more states rights, an idea of the left not the right), and dictatorship (as opposed to limited and constitutional government) are all concepts antithetical to traditional conservative or "classical liberal" modes of thought. 

Conservatives oppose centralization of government power and favor state's rights.  They oppose unbridled government power and support limited government.  They oppose "stringent" socioeconomic government controls, and support rolling back many laws and regulations that infringe on liberties. 

The idea that conservatives could be fascists is just absurd, and Jonah rips the notion to shreds in his intriguing new book.

'Stringent socioeconomic controls' are not compatible with many classical liberal/libertarian/conservative views of how a "free market" should function. 

Stupid leftists always misuse the word fascism.

>It has been said before that Hitler was a socialist, and that the Nazis were socialists/leftists. 
Which is utterly wrong, and is exclusively believed by retarded organisms. Enjoy.

>>1
Wow, someone actually published such a load of crap? A superficial piece of propaganda only to be read by people believing in such fallacious things in the first place. If people just knew a thing or two, stuff like this, or books "disproving evolution" wouldn't sell.

>>1
asking for it...

>>4
B-BUT... FREE MARKUTS AND INVISIBAL HAND!!!

Wait, why am I crying, I'm ignorant enough to believe that. HAH HAH THE PLOTS OF EVIL SOSHALIST-LIBRAL-CONSERVATIVE-COMMUNISTS ARE EXPOSED! THEM AND THEIR LIES ABOUT PRIVATE PROPERTY, INTERNAL WORKINGS OF NAZI GERMANY, COMMUNISTS BEING ACTIVELY HUNTED ETC. ARE IRRELEVANT! SOSHALIZM IS STAYT THEREFOR THEY ARE ALL SOOSHALIST!!! LIBERTARYANIZM FTW!! BUSH IS LEFT-WING SOSHALIST!!!

Fascism is left wing because it doesn't fit the definition of KLASSIKAL LIBRALIZM. What? It goes nowhere near the definition of socialism? WHO CARES I'M HERE TO IGNORE FACTS AND SUCK COCKS! I DUN KNOW NO DEFINISHUN! FREE MARKATS!! RON PAWL!!!

>>6-7
Cry more, retard.

>>8
Indeed, it is the libertarian nature to be retarded and cry more when faced with facts disproving their delusions.

SomeGuy:  Oh, it's been a rough day, I need a cigarette.
Liberal:  FUCK YOU ASSHOLE YOU CAN'T DO THAT HERE, AND I'M GOING TO DO EVERYTHING IN MY POWER TO MAKE SURE YOU CAN'T DO IT ANYWHERE ELSE.  YOU SMOKERS ARE WORSE THAN CHILD MOLESTERS!!!1

SomeGuy:  Hmm, things have been rough lately, I need to buy a gun to protect my family in case someone tries to break into my home and harm us.
Liberal:  FUCK YOU BITCH, GUNS KILL PEOPLE AND THE ONLY PEOPLE ALLOWED TO KILL OTHER PEOPLE ARE POLICE!  IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THEY DON'T MAKE IT TO THE CRIME SCENE ON TIME, YOU GOTTA WAIT, CAUSE I DON'T WANT YOU OWNING A GUN!  GUNS ARE EVIL.  CREATED BY THE DEVIL HIMSELF AND YOU'RE EVIL FOR WANTING ONE.  AND DUMB TOO!

SomeGuy:  mmmmMMMMmm, nothing like a tasty burger and a cold beer.
Liberal:  OOOOOH NO YOU DON'T!!!!  TRANSFATS ARE BAAAAAAD.  YOU CAN'T EAT THEM DAMMIT!  WHY CAN'T YOU JUST BE A VEAGAN!1! (See NYC ban on transfats)

SomeGuy:  Wow, it took a lot of hours of overtime, and I had really save every penny and budget for the last year, but I can finally afford this new (hobby related item).  It was worth the hard work.
Liberal:  HOLD ON A MINUTE!!!  GIMME' SOME OF THAT MONEY - I GOTTA GIVE IT TO THIS GUY ACROSS THE COUNTRY.  HE'S TOO LAZY TO GET A SERIOUS JOB, AND HE SUCKS AT MANAGING HIS MONEY AN' DOES SOME DRUGS, BUT HE NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDS THIS MONEY HE DIDN'T WORK FOR!!  FUCK YOU AND YOUR HARD WORK.

SomeGuy:  Ahh, sure is nice to be fit and healthy.  All it really takes is some exercise and a decent diet.  I'm so lucky I don't have to see the doctor too often...
Liberal:  LISTEN BITCH, HEALTH CARE IS GOING TO BE A GROUP EFFORT FROM NOW ON!  THIS FATASS OVER HERE WHO EATS PIZZA ALL THE TIME AND NEVER EXERCISES NEEDS A TRIPLE BIPASS, SO PAY UP!  FUCK YOU AND YOUR HEALTHY LIFESTYLE, YOU GOTTA HELP PAY FOR ALL THE FATFUCKS AND THEIR BLOOD PRESSURE MEDICINE.  IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT THEIR TOO LAZY TO EXERCISE AND TOO DUMB TO EAT WELL.

Someguy:  Oh man, I worked so hard through high school with good grades.  I spent so much time on after school projects and clubs too.  But it'll all be worth it, one of the top universities will be sure to accept someone smart, dedicated, and active like me.
Liberal:  FUCK YOU WHITEY!  WE'RE GOTS TO IMPOSE SOME RACIAL QUOTAS TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS FAIR!!  THIS GUY HERE'S GOT A NICE "C" AVERAGE AND DOESN'T DO MUCH, BUT HE DESERVES TO BE IN YALE MORE THAN YOU!!!  YOU HAD THE WHITE PRIVILEGE!!!  WHITE FUCKING PRIVILEGE!!  IT'S NOT FAIR!!!  WE GOTTA PLACE PEOPLE LACKING IN CREDENTIALS INTO POSITIONS THAT YOU WORKED HARD FOR!

SomeGuy:  I for one, think we've gotten a little carried away with this global warming scare.  I think we should really reexamine this, after all Al Gore isn't a scientist, and politicians are always politically motivated...
Liberal:  HOW DARE YOU QUESTION THE IRREVOKEABLE TRUTH OF GLOBAL WARMING?!!!  HOW DARE YOU DISSENT!!!  HOW DARE YOU BRING UP ANOTHER VIEW!!!  IT SHOULD BE ILLEGAL!!  YOU'RE WORSE THAN A HOLLOCAUST DENIER!  SHUT UP!  YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO THINK DIFFERENTLY FROM US!!

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Now, explain to me how Liberals are not fascist.
They seek to control what you do, what you eat, how you spend your money, whether or not you can protect yourself, and even what you can think/say.

How is that no fascist?

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>>12
Too much of an effort to prove your retardation. You could have learned what fascism was in the meantime, and you wouldn't have needed to cry in the first place. Enjoy crying over imaginary strawman and your own ignorance.

>>13
Ahh, it's so much easier to be dismissive than to actually answer a question, right?

Must suck to be such an intellectual pussy.

>>3-7  Same idiot who says "no ur wrong" and doesn't bother to back up any of his views.

>>15
2+2=5!! PROOV ME RONG hardly needs any disproving to do, because it is something very clear and can only be ignored by the most retarded, who have ignored the evidence before to get to that point, but actually posts disproving the retarded notion that fascists were socialists were posted in a thread a while ago, I just don't feel like finding it. Why don't you have a look and then deny reality?

>>14
Soo, LIBRALZ DO DAT is a factual argument now? Great.

>>16
HA.  You of all people care about factual arguments?  You, who bitch and cry and moan about libertarian principles, yet offer no evidence, no examples, nor any alternatives?

Enlighten us, why does libertarianism fail so much?  Give us some examples.  Give us some concrete facts.

Tell us what the superior method of governance is.  Tell us why it's sooooo great, and give us some examples.  It should be easy, since you're so convicted.

I'll bet you can't.

>>17
I'll bet that you are a retarded libertarian in denial. Not only you tried to sidestep from the ownage at hand in a classical fashion, but also you cried about "no concrete facts", while I had stated that you retards were running in circles in denial. Check the preceding "why is libertarianism so infallible" thread, enough amount of information was given to disprove the average libertarian delusions, when the most retarded of you stepped in in an attempt to defend his spoon-fed worldview, and introduced us to the all-famous crying BUSH IS LEFT-WING SOCIALIST.

So, as long as you have such ridiculous opinions, I think you should see why facts are always against you.

>>18
"I'll bet that you are a retarded ....."  

Wow, what a fantastic response.

>>18
Lulz, talk about sidestepping....
You didn't answer the questions.  You can't.  You Fail.

Until you can bring a concise, articulated, and civil argument to the table your opinions are just as invalid as the next faggot.

>>18
You are either a troll or living in your own world where your posts actually make sense. I think just about everyone on this board can recognise the trademark completely assinine language you use in every single post and know you as a moron for it and the shit that comes with it, yet you continue regardless. Nearly every post you make is a statement with no substance whatsoever.

Any knowledge you do have is totally wasted and negated by the cretinous spam you continue to post following it, so please do newpol a favour and return to your native assburgers colony.

>>20
I'm saying all that needs to be posted, has already been posted, and you have the ability to see it for yourself. Why disprove the individual retards when the theory itself is practically dead?

>>21
Talk about butthurt... Denial and crying doesn't prove your delusions right, my friend. Also, lol@you who cries LIBRALZIM IS FASCISM trying to make an argument from "living in one's own world".


To sum up, personal delusions = truth. Check a definition or two before starting those aristotalean logic chains next time.

Yes, indeed, personal delusions = truth.  Believing you're right when you can't even prove it certainly is delusional.

I challenge you again.  Prove your claims, bitch.

>>23
Yet more 2+2=5!! PROOV ME RONG crying. You are the retard going against universally recognized definitions, to satiate whatever inadequecy you have. No matter how much you cry, liberalism, fascism and socialism are different things, neither bush nor your retarded democratic candidates are socialists and no amount of youtube videos you post are proof. Enjoy the truth and your denial.

>>24
It must never dawn on you that sometimes people say they are one thing but are actually another.

The best example I can give is the democrats in Washington.
They say they're democrats, but are actually the Fifth Column.

>>25
Ooh, yes, they are SECRETLY socialist, and even when they get power they don't do socialist things because...? Acts are what matters, imagining that they are secretly x-ist without even knowing what you're talking about is not a factual argument.

Come back when you live in a world Bill Clinton abolished private property and inheritance and Barack Obama is preparing the state for communism.

The sooner you read and learn, the sooner you can face truth. You can still keep up with your butthurt rage towards democrats/whoever without calling them commie to fit it in your scheme of red-scare era idiocy.

liberals are evil

>>26
Haven't you seen the facts? There is an obvious socialist streak amongst "progressives".

>>28
Oh, it's obvious because you and a handful of other basement retards said it. What they say, what they do, what socialism is doesn't matter, right?

As I said, you can keep crying while admitting the truth too, so why cry screaming EVERYONE IS SECRETLY SOCIALIST? You'll look slightly less retarded I promise.

>>29
What about the numerous "progressives" with sympathies towards Cuba and socialist institutions?

>>30
Oh, so when someone "sympathizes" with something, they instantly turn to it, yet again ignoring what they do themselves and the definitions.

Seriously, you can accept truth and still keep your other delusions, you don't have to try this hard to find a shitty excuse.

>>31
So you admit they sympathise with socialism.

>>32
So you're admitting that you can't answer the argument and are sidestepping again to drag your whining further?

What I'm saying is EVEN IF THEY DID it doesn't make a difference. Would Bush be a socialist if he said Che was OK? AHAHAH WAIT YOU RETARDS ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT

>>22
>Also, lol@you who cries LIBRALZIM IS FASCISM trying to make an argument from "living in one's own world".

No I didnt, you are a presumptuous fool. No more can be said on the matter.

>>34
If you didn't perpetuate such a retarded notion, then why did you get butthurt over it? Nice attempt at running away.

>>35
I got 'butthurt' over your complete idiocy in your arguing technique, not whatever topic you were wasting people's time on with your opinions. Grow up and at least try to learn from the more sensible posters here.

>>36
More sensible posters, as in people who cry BUSH IS SOCIALIST? Stop kidding yourself. You wouldn't have wasted your time if you focused on the arguments, enjoy.

Wow. Who would know the socialists would whine and cry so hard over something so simple as the statement of a series of facts. I wonder how exactly they survive in the real world.

>>38
-BAWW BUSH IS SOCIALIST
-That is completely retarded, and no definition nor anyone with a shred of intelligence in the real world agrees with your delusions
-SOSHALIST ARE WHINING AGAINST FAKTS!!! DEY KANT SURVIVE IN DA REAL WORLD!!!! LEFT-WING SOSHALISTS!!!!

>>39
-THE EBIL CAPITALISTS ARE OPPRESSING US POOR, VIRTUOUS WORKERS.
-BAWW BUSH IS RIGHT-WING FASHCIST!!!