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Name: Reality 2008-01-26 14:42

So suppose the hereditarian hypothesis of the IQ gap is conclusively proven (though I don't really understand how it's not atm), and that Blacks will be, on average, dumber for the the foreseeable future.
My question to libfags is this. If it happens, will libfags then
1) support a Rawlsian argument (claim that genetic advantages are undeserved and unfair, and thus enforce substantial and permanent racial preferences)?
2) still be in complete denial of reality?
3) understand that we don't owe them anything, never have, never will?
Thanks.

Name: Reality 2008-01-28 12:12

Social/environmental issues are the greatest determinant. 
IQ tests do not measure culture. They measure the ability to do cognitively complex tasks and is not something you can learn.
If IQ was transmitted through "culture", it would be passed vertically through parents. It is not.
http://www.med.yale.edu/chldstdy/plomdevelop/genetics/99jungen.htm
It would be passed through friends. It is not.
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=14683391
It would be passed through neighbourhoods and schools. It is not.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/13/AR2007081300966_pf.html
IQ is not 'culture', like the shape of your nose is not 'culture'.
Blacks are no less intelligent than poor white trash.
Comparing a normal sample of Blacks to a depressed sample of Whites is fallacious. I already stated that all human traits are distributed on a Gaussian curve. Of course we're not equal, not within a group and not between groups.
If the mother is drinking/doing drugs, eating poorly, etc. while pregnant the kid will be fucked.  If the kid, once born, is fed poorly and not well educated they're fucked.
Correct, and these are environmental factors. What you listed, at least in the first sentence, has little to do with intelligence though. Environmental factors aren't cultural, and they are controlled for in the Black White IQ gap. Try again.
If both parents die from AIDS when the kid's young the kid's fucked.
His IQ would stay the same, unless he lacks proper nutrition and doesn't know how to read.
There's less genetic variation among humans than most mammals, including dogs and chimps.
Microsatellite genetic analysis of dog breeds (Zajc et al., Mamm. Genome 8, 182-185, 1997) points to a difference between Greyhounds, German Shepherds, and Labrador Retreivers having an index in the 0.028-0.054 range. This compares to a similar study in humans (Kimmel et al., Genetic 143, 549-555, 1996) which shows that Japanese and Chinese have an index of difference of 0.029. Larger racial differences are in the range of 0.087 - 0.363. Therefore, genetic differences between dog breeds, which result in large phenotypic consequences, are about equal to intra-racial ethnic differences, and smaller than human inter-racial differences.
Here are more FST values for human populations: http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/3840/salter1uk4.gif
What I think you are trying to do is called Lewontin's fallacy, a libfag troll setting back human ecology for a generation ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewontin%27s_Fallacy
The myth of racial superiority is an artifact of the european slave trade that most people are too stupid to understand.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism#Racism_in_the_Middle_Ages_and_during_the_Renaissance
This is a shitty list, and far too new, but it proves you wrong right at the beginning. Just read Cicero's speeches, if you have access to them and can read Latin.
don't get me wrong, most "black" culture is as retarded as the culture of white trash (Springer!) and they'll never achieve equality without adopting a culture more like that of asians and other successful immigrants (value education, community, don't be a nigger, etc).
I am not talking about culture, I am talking about IQ.
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Yawn, another post filled with, er, nothing.
As you admitted yourself in an earlier post IQ tests are the best 'single measure' of intelligence
Are you trying to twist my words? I said IQ test scores are the single best predictor of real life successes. Naturally, that means that there are no better tests than can measure them, not that they are a 'single measure.' Why do you quote me as saying a 'single measure?' Is it your habitual mendacity?
if I was such a great intellect
Well, you at least just proved IQ tests don't even need a really good understanding of the English language.
I can assure you they make perfect sense.
And yet you forget to mention what it is.
despite this being of a contested nature.
Oh wow.
as it happens I’m a member of the Labour Party
Kill yourself so humanity may progress.
I feel obliged to point out the fact that here in England there is no entirely separate 'black culture' to the same extent as there seems to be in the US. The British black community share the same cultural values as the white population, for the most part (i.e. a strong emphasis on the value of education most importantly).
Then why haven't you closed the racial IQ gap in Britain, despite having a shitload of elite immigrants coming in that shifts the balance in your favour?
Cultural/ social influences are great when it comes to cognitive development (cognition being the tested skill in an IQ test).
No they are not, and I talk about it earlier in this post. Also,  we already KNOW of several genes that affects IQ, for example read:
http://www.behavioralandbrainfunctions.com/content/3/1/19
If we plug these in hapmap.org and check the variations of the populations, we get:
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/1060/dtnbp1geneandracialiqdinn6.jpg
This accounts for 1/3 of the Black-White IQ gap.

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