Libfas, please explain your ethics

1.  Why is it wrong to kill a violent criminal but okay to kill an innocent fetus?  I'm not particularly opposed to abortions, but it makes no sense that you rail against capital punishment while endorsing abortion.

2.  Why do you despise Christianity but tell everyone else that their religions are beautiful and are to be respected?  I don't understand how you can extol the greatness of science and education while while telling everyone (other than Christians) that their baseless beliefs should be protected.  I'm generally opposed to religion, so I say if you're going to hate one of them, hate all of them.

3.  Why is it wrong from conservatives to go on fear mongering about terrorism but it's okay for you to tell everyone the world is going to end because of global warming?  Whether or not you believe in either of these supposed threats it's clear that both sides are using fear to manipulate people.  Why not take the higher road if you're so educated and ethical?

4.  Why do you like Mac so much?

5.  Why do you believe the federal government can fix all of society's ills when it can barely deliver the mail?  It has been proven throughout history that large central governments lead to corruption and abuse.  Why do you continue to support big government?

>>160
that's easily condemnable. anyway.. im done.

>>161
Just about anything a person does can be condemned by one group or another.
That's why your FAILURE is so immense.

FUCKING LIBFAS

>>154
>>153 here. I mean criteria such as that which would be used in a court of law. Most crucially is the point in which a fetus become a person and thus subject to all our ethics concerning how a person is treated.

When brain activity first occurs? When it can survive outside the womb? When it's head pops out?

We have no scientific definition for sapience but we know it at least requires an active human brain, significant brain activity first occurs when a fetus is 20 weeks old so this is the grey area, after that it is only a month before the brain of the fetus is little different from that of a newborn baby. If you are to abort 6 month fetuses by that logic you might aswell legalise killing newborn babies.

everything wrong with the world is a libfas conspiracy. I know it.

Also, jews.

this thread was made to inspire rage and trolling, get back to /b/ where you belong

>>166
NO U

>>166
You must be new here...

whoever did post #85 is retarded and doesn't know shit about economics

>>8
How does it feel to be in the dark ages?

>>170
feels good man

feels good man
Back to /b/, please.

>>172
no u

1. I support both reproductive choice and capital punishment.  But they are apples and oranges...I don't support personhood and the rights thereof to a nonviable fetus.  So I don't favor abortion after viability...third trimester.  Before that, it's part of the mother frankly and up to her what to do with her body.  Also, I only support capital punishment if it can be shown without a doubt that someone is guilty of a capital crime.  If you are a southern red state and all your blacks go to the chair and none of your whites do, you gots some 'splainin to do.

2. I'm not religious and support the right of others to believe as they see fit, up to the point where they want to take some sort of god mandate and run my life/run the country/rule the world.  Christianity passes that point consistently so it pisses me off.  You just don't see Buddhists trying to stack the courts, suppress rights, dominate political discourse, fight against science, butt into everyone's private lives while racking up sex scandals, I could go on...  Basically, Christianity is the AIDS of spirituality.  Has produced more harm than good for 2000 years and counting.

3. Because the GOP uses fear to get its way, while environmentalists are trying to save the fucking planet.  Waterboarding never made us safe, but several major coastal cities probably will wind up underwater.  Warning against a real threat we can act upon is not mongering...scaring people about made up terror to score political points is.  Science is not a political party.

4. I don't like Mac.  I'm a PC.

5. I don't believe the federal govt can fix all of society's ills, that's a GOP fantasy about liberals that they've repeated so much they believe it.  I'm also fascinated to hear that conservatives are against corruption and abuse (*cough*TomDelay*cough*) and big government.  The government and spending expanded exponentially under Bush, took the national debt from like 4 to 9 trillion dollars or something.  Most of it to Halliburton.
Liberals just don't live in a fantasy where we can have all the programs people can't do without (libs and cons alike) while demanding to pay no taxes.  Yes, I'm looking at you, teabaggers.  The teabags they bought and the clothes they wore and the road they drove on to the rally and the law enforcement to keep the roads safe and the medicare and SS they will all be counting on in old age are because of big government.  No taxes?  Build your own fucking highways, it'll be fun.  Here's a trowel and a bucket.

oh and on #2, Christianity pisses me off the most when they justify their jihad against everyone's freedom by saying this is a Christian nation.  Fuck that.

I might note for the historically challenged that the earliest colonists fled to this country to escape from the King of England who wanted to use religion like a blunt object to tell them how they should live their lives.  A fact that modern holy warriors either are either deliberately ignoring or never were taught in homeschooling.

We founded America to get away from the Dobsons of that day.

I recognize that Christianity at its best is a religion of uplifting love and deep faith.  It is not represented well at all by the dingleberries who want to pervert it into a weapon for wealth and power.  If there is a "moral majority" within Christianity they should take these idiots who make them all look like ignorant lunatics out to the shed and make them see the light.

>>175

Depending on what part of America you're talking about, you're right and wrong. The Puritans just wanted their own colony so that their religion could rule. Pennsylvania, Maryland, Rhode Island and a few other colonies were founded on religious "freedom" but America was built on Christian rejects from England.

America was founded by the Dobsons of that day.

>>174 "3. Because the GOP uses fear to get its way, while environmentalists are trying to save the fucking planet."

Projection much?

>>1
Explain my ethics to a murderer?  A thief, a liar, a torturer, and a coward?  It's all we do, yet you refuse to listen to us or the lessons of history. 
It is simply the way of things.  The liberals drag the conservatives, kicking and screaming, into the future.

>>178
So criticism and logical debate are absent in your perfect future.

>>179
Of course they are.  He's a liberal.  They hate logic and reason, hate it, hate it, hate it.  They hate science, they hate objective truth, they hate the White race, and deep down, they hate themselves and they're all still angry at Daddy for not buying them a pony when they were nine.

"If you get caught at some crucial point and somebody tells you that your doctrine doesn't make sense - you're ready for him. You tell him there's something above sense. That here he must not try to think, he must feel. He must believe. Suspend reason and you can play it deuces wild."  Ayn Rand, The Fountainhead

>>180
They hate the white race? The majority of those I've seen bashing the white race for the colonial era and so forth are white themselves, usually whilst sipping champagne or a frappuchino.

>>181
Yes.  White liberals suffer from tremendous self-hatred, which they project onto their own race and their own civilization.

>>113
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>>183
Hey, that's not very nice.

Dang, you've made me pretty depressed, I could do with a black dick in my mouth right about now.

>>188
lol /FailCream/.

1, Because a fetus is not a human being, nor is it innocent. In order to be innocent, something must possess the capability of guilt.

2. I don't, I protect christianty's right to be illogical and asinine as much as any other, and I don't want any religion at all entering my educational facilities.

3. Actions taken to counter-act global warming don't circumvent people's inalienable rights, and if someone proposed actions that did I would oppose them.

4. I use Linux.

5. I'm an anarchist.

I'm a libfag, but I'm not necessarily a democrat.

CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others.

>>190
1: So you think an 8 month "fetus" isn't conscious in any way. shape or form?
2: What if people want their religion to enter educational facilities? Do you enjoy denying people freedom?
3: The problem isn't global warming, the problem is that the atmosphere is public property and we should reach a consensus on deciding what to do with it. Turning global warming into a religion so can pretend to be chicken little is totally illogical, it's egotistical sensationalism which will only achieve a token level of reduction in greenhouse gases at great expense as you jet your celebrity sponsors back and forth across the country to collect more donations and lobby for more taxpayer money.
4: I use it sometimes, but I also use windows because I don't have a statement to make.
5: Good, in theory, but human nature etc.. Live in Somalia for a week.

>>192
I'm not >>190  , but I couldn't resist.

1:  I think a fetal dog at 8 weeks is "conscious"  in some "way, shape or form".  You have a point?
2: The existence of any common endeavor restricts freedom.  Government administered education in the United States is subject to it's laws, in this case the First Amendment.  If you want your religion in a school, you are free to start your own school.
3:  Global warming... The problem is the climate, our lack of understanding of how it really works, and our certainty that though we don't know exactly how it works, we do know that we are capable of having a profound effect on it that would compromise our ability to survive.  The idea that "The atmosphere is public property" is the kind of foolish, greedy, and arrogant thinking encouraged by the current economic system that put us in these straits to begin with. 
4:  Oh, you seem to have many statements to make.  You just don't seem to be interested in the free exchange of information.  Pretty predictable in light of the positions you advocate in the rest of the post.
5:  What the fuck do you know about living in Somalia, or any other underdeveloped, troubled nation?  Please tell me you are speaking from experience; that you've actually been somewhere, and aren't just regurgitating the shit you've been fed by the media.  You have been somewhere else, haven't you?

Dumbfucks have been brainwashed into thinking conservatism is evil or some shit. I am saying this right fucking now everyone your all dumb fucks. If you honestly think that you are a 'liberal' or a 'conservatist' etc you are stupid. I am sick of this shit, Conservatism (notice the capital fucking C, a great man once explained this) is not what fuckhead republicans like George Bush follow.... Truly, everyone has a mixed political ideology and if you think one is better than the other your a dumb fuck.... It is like economics not all theories are good for every society you must apply things differently to each topic...

tl;dr: this board is a piece of shit, i hope it stays an text based board and never becomes image, this way hopefully all you lonely fuckers who think you are all so logical and intelligent can just be ignored forever..

tl;dr "global warming" is a lie, has always been a lie, and its proponents have always known it was a lie, intended to terrify the people into giving them power.

http://www.climateaudit.org/
http://wattsupwiththat.com/

"On the one hand, as scientists we are ethically bound to the scientific method, in effect promising to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but – which means that we must include all doubts, the caveats, the ifs, ands and buts. On the other hand, we are not just scientists but human beings as well. And like most people we’d like to see the world a better place, which in this context translates into our working to reduce the risk of potentially disastrous climate change. To do that we need to get some broad based support, to capture the public’s imagination. That, of course, means getting loads of media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have. This “double ethical bind” we frequently find ourselves in cannot be solved by any formula. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest. I hope that means being both."  --Steven Schneider, "climate scientist."

They LIE.  Every word these people say is a lie, including "a," "an," and "the."  The truth is not in them.

>>194
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>>193
1: Saying babies magically come alive when they leave the womb is as retarded as saying they become alive when an egg is fertilized. If you want to legalise aborting 8 month fetuses you might aswell legalise going around shooting babies.
2: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. I fail to see why you are so desperate to throw a hissy fit over a nativity scene for a school play or an after school christian charity thing anyway.
3: If the atmosphere were declared public property then the world can decide on it's content in a UN convention and charge those who use oxygen to pay to remove the carbon. But whatever.
4: Well since I use both linux and windows while you only use linux it follows that you are less interested in the free exchange of information.
5: And I suppose you can tell me about your experiences in anarchist catalonia and what a utopia it was.

i dont personally think any religions are beautiful and require respect because i find all of them absolutely ridiculous and also EXTREMELY destructive to all humans. I do believe in personal liberty, however, and i suppose, as much as i would like to see all religion wiped off the face of the earth in an effort to save humanity from its own insanity, that all people should be allowed to do what they want. If you want to believe in some gay faggot space alien story because it makes you feel better about how shitty life is, then by all means go ahead. JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP AND KEEP IT TO YOURSELF. The rest of us sane people dont want to hear your stupid little kid stories.

>>198
Ok so it's the dark ages and there is endemic warfare, it's so bad people can't even build permanent settlements because any concentration of wealth will get stolen by a group of thugs and eventually torn down in the chaos. Then a charlemagne figure carves his way through the barbarian tribes, starts building churches occupied by clergymen who are probably the only literate people in a 50 mile radius, these churches proceed to indoctrinate the thugs from infancy to be obedient to their feudal lords and the peasants to grow crops and take the produce to towns to support iron smiths, carpenters, shipbuilders, wool workers, masons and all manner of tradesmen who go about making their prince's fief more wealthy. Life expectancy rises from 25 to 40 and about 5% of the population now live in relative comfort for their entire lives instead of the 1% that were lucky enough to become the leader of a warband for a brief period before they were killed or assassinated. Why is this a bad thing? So what if there is more inequality? A rising tide floats all boats.

Cry more.

>>199
Well, I'm glad we're still living in the 7th century.  No wait, you're just babbling.