Libfas, please explain your ethics

1.  Why is it wrong to kill a violent criminal but okay to kill an innocent fetus?  I'm not particularly opposed to abortions, but it makes no sense that you rail against capital punishment while endorsing abortion.

2.  Why do you despise Christianity but tell everyone else that their religions are beautiful and are to be respected?  I don't understand how you can extol the greatness of science and education while while telling everyone (other than Christians) that their baseless beliefs should be protected.  I'm generally opposed to religion, so I say if you're going to hate one of them, hate all of them.

3.  Why is it wrong from conservatives to go on fear mongering about terrorism but it's okay for you to tell everyone the world is going to end because of global warming?  Whether or not you believe in either of these supposed threats it's clear that both sides are using fear to manipulate people.  Why not take the higher road if you're so educated and ethical?

4.  Why do you like Mac so much?

5.  Why do you believe the federal government can fix all of society's ills when it can barely deliver the mail?  It has been proven throughout history that large central governments lead to corruption and abuse.  Why do you continue to support big government?

They are self hating Americans and self hating Whites. They get satisfaction from thinking they are helping people too weak to succedd themselves, but they betray their own by doing it.

1. The taking of life is wrong. But abortions do not qualify as the take of a human life.

2. Christianity is the religion, among them all, that forces it's way into politics and the social fabric of western culture. I like Buddists more than Christians because of this fact. Guess what? We ain't crazy about Islam, either.

3. Because the possibly of us creating an enviroment that we can't live in is more possible than a "terrorist" blowing up the "whole  world"

4. Huh?

5. Neo liberals "Libfags" etc, don't believe this. In fact, present day government expansion has been a neo con project. And this is somewhat due to deterministic christian beliefs

>>3
1.  Let's just go with your assertion that a fetus is not a human life.  It still has the potential to become a human life.  The criminal on death row however has already wasted any potential his life had.  Wouldn't the fetus be more valuable as an asset to society?  I mean, say that fetus is born and becomes a human being.  It would have to get a job someday and then you could tax its income, right?  Why waste such an important source of revenue?

I think the underlying issue here is obesity in America.

>>4

Because without their participation in the economy, GDP will not be affected, and their taxes are not a necessity.

To answer your question about religion: I only respect Buddhism. While I don't agree with karma or reincarnation, I am fond of its asceticism and prudence.

>>4
every time a woman ovulates, she loses an egg, eggs are potential fetuses.
so you want to ban ovulating without pregnancy?

women have the prospect of becoming mother's their entire life, i'd prefer they get an abortion when they accidently become pregnant with an unwanted child, than have a kid they don't really want. This gives better conditions for all the humans involved.

i'm against death penalty. Fetuses aren't living humans, so you can abort them just fine. the criminal however is a living human, and you can't just abort those. 

>>7
I agree that abortions should be available and legal, but I think it's retarded to defend the life of a criminal.  What value could their life have when they've already devalued an innocent life by killing or raping someone?  And why the fuck should they of all people get three meals a day and medical treatment for life when there are literally millions of people around the world much more deserving.

>>8

robbing people of their freedom should be the hardest punishment the state should be able to give, enabling the state to rob people of their lives is giving it too much power.

>>1

um, who is this "you" you speak of?

Be more specific man!

"Wouldn't the fetus be more valuable as an asset to society?"

That's the key difference in mentality between liberals and conservatives. Liberals value life for its own merits, not because of its "value to society". Hence, we want to protect the environment for its own sake, regardless of how much economic value it has.

Liberals want to make sure the elderly live comfortably, long after their economic value to society has diminished. Similarly, we want good education for the young, so that they can maximize their potential- not for society's sake, but simply because each individual is better off if he can get the highest degree and the best job that his talent and ambition can take him, regardless of how wealthy his family is. These kinds of things take high levels of taxation.

Conservatives, on the other hand, don't value other people intrinsically. Many of them (like on 4chan) are full of anger at society, as well. They want to torture and murder people, and so they look for excuses to do so (a few hundred years ago, it was witches; today, it's child molesters and more generic 'criminals').

Fetuses become sapient after 20 weeks.

>>1

ok troll...

Q1 - executing people for crimes they didn't actually commit is the problem, evidenced by all the recent releases of innocent people from death row (yea DNA)

Q2 - Christians won't stop trying to make all us non-christians live under their christian rules.  shut the fuck up about the bible this or the bible that.  that shit makes christians no different than the "islamo-fascists"

Q3 - conservatives get it wrong every time.  conservatives go on about how to fight the "war on terror" but everything they say is bullshit.  conservatives are why we're losing, conservatives are the problem.

Q4 - got me there.  I use a pc myself.

Q5 - a false assumption.  the problem is that corporations do worse than the gov't in providing essential services (fire/police/medical/utilities/etc).  as an example, Walter Reed was a good hospital until the private contractors took over.  corporations are also not as responsible to people as gov't.  don't give me that shit about the market, because if the market determined these things microsoft would have gone under 20 years ago.

>>Why do you believe the federal government can fix all of society's ills when it can barely deliver the mail?

In your shitty government. I live in fucking France and the government does shit loads, while keeping a market economy. Fucking Americans think that the whole world revolves around them, and can't comprehend working welfare states, like ALL OF FUCKING EUROPE has.

Q1: A fetus isn't human. It's simple as that. Also, killing a convicted murderer who would get life in prison won't do anyone any good, as abortion may very well achieve.

Q2: I don't despise Christianity, I despise that fact that they keep on butting into things that will effect a large amount of people and changing it to serve their own false beliefs. I respect a person's beliefs and choice to believe, for that reason, I hate any Christian trying to impose religion on others through the government. If you notice, we aren't abolishing women's rights because of the Muslims in our society.

Q3: Terrorism doesn't pose any long-term threat. Global warming does.

Q4: I don't

Q5: It's been proven big government can work in providing rights, medical care, etc. in Europe. Also, corporations don't serve the people, as the government does. Also, if you haven't noticed, private contractors are cocking quite a few things up in Iraq.

>>14
That's all well and good, but I was directing my questions toward Americans.  Maybe you should check in on your ability to read context, because these issues tend to be some of the big ones among Americans.

And speaking of welfare states, I've heard France's unemployment rate is somewhere around 22%.  What exactly does your government do with so many unemployed people?  If I'm wrong on the figure let me know, I may have heard wrong.

>>16

you heard wrong, it's ~7-8% these days, through the 90's it was between 8-10%

Granted this is higher than the average american unemployment of what? 4-5% ? but nobody said having a welfare state didn't have a price.

>>17
I'll take America and my liberties over a eurofag welfare state, thx.

>>17
lul welfare state are supposed to be shitty but have EVERYONE employed, retard.

>>19
no, the goal is that NO ONE works
why would they need welfare if they'd work?

1. Killing a violent criminal won't really solve anything; better for him to rot in prison anyway. I'm ok with abortion as long as it doesn't go past a certain stage.

2. I don't despise Christianity, I despise the cunts that enforce their beliefs on to others for idiotic reasons. Example: bitching about a specific book, or movie, and demonizing it. Their views against sex are fucking idiotic, I think; celibacy is something which almost completely takes away the entire point of sex.

3. Because the world as a whole is obviously a thousand times more important than someone who is/was living in a cave, and will likely never be found. The world does not revolve around the fucking U.S.

4. I don't really care for Mac, except for their video editing capabilities and Adobe. Microsoft does however pump out shit after shit.

5. I don't support our government at all. In fact, I believe that government leads to corruption either way. 

>>19
that's communism.
gb2/school/

>>21

1. And the money to sustain his existence comes from ... ?! Listen. If you want criminals alive because, as we all know, libfags serve criminals, set up a fund raiser and who ever wants to pay for their being alive shall do so. Don't force everyone into your faggotry.
2. I don't despise Libfaggotry either, only the cunts that took over the media and academia and enforce their pipe dreams on to others for idiotic reasons. Example: Affirmative Action, Political Correctness, racial equality (This especially grinds my gears, as a population geneticist), and unnecessary spending. Also, the Wilsonian idea of going to wars, spreading democracy. Their views on spending money on niggers to supposedly improve them are idiotic, and have a total disregard of reality. For example, reparations for slavery, wtf?
3. OP is a faggot, conservatives are supposed to be anti-war.

>racial equality (This especially grinds my gears, as a population geneticist)

lol, even the neocons wont go their

>>23
wow...you pretty much beat me to what i was gona say

>>23
Point 3 isn't about being for or against the war, faggot.  It's about how Libfags scream "FEAR MONGER!" at conservatives for using scare tactics to influence people's opinions, but at the same time rely on more scare tactics to push a global warming agenda as if it were going to melt us all the day after tomorrow.  In other words, the pot is calling the kettle black.  Oh but wait, being a hypocrite is just part of the libfag moral code.

>>26

A failing attempt to compare fear-mongering to raising awareness.

>>27
so you're telling me that raising awareness about the threats of the middle east and proposing a solution (carpet bombing) is fear mongering, where as raising awareness about the threats of global warming and proposing a solution (reduction of CO2 emissions) is not? pah!

>>28
Sadly the proposed solutions to both of those problems are absolute bullshit.  The middle east won't be any less of a shithole if we pussy foot around it with half-assed "defeat an ideology" campaigns.  And reducing CO2 will not affect global warming either, it is a process over which humans have no control whatsoever.

Rather the alternative for solving the middle east problem lies in freeing the women of the middle east.  When women are treated as equals the middle east will know peace and civilization.  As for global warming, you fags are just going to have to wait.  The Earth will cool off eventually, as it always does.  Then you can rant and rave about how "imaginary threat X" is causing glaciers to grow larger and larger.

I hardly see the christian fundies who try to "enforce their beliefs on to others" in day to day life, not to say they don't exist just that the only way it seems I can come across them is if I go out and find them.

Libfags on the otherhand are everywhere. All large institutions have a diversity policy of some sort where they put up posters of smiling black people and go "WE ARE TEH MULTIDIVERSITOLERACULTURAL!!", frankly I find this shit patronising. The only time I've seen jesus campers succesfully affect national policy is gay marriage and creationism in schools of counties in which 99.5% of the population is mormon which is nothing compared to the effect liberals have had in curbing the United State's sovereign right to protect their borders from illegal immigration, curbing US citizen's right to bear arms and a plethora of taxes and state intervention in the economy that has seen 1000000s of jobs lost particularly those of vulnerable ethnic minorities.

>>30
PROTIP:
excluding the past 1.5? years republicans and neocons haven't done shit about illegal immigration and outsourcing either, a lot are practically supporting it by blocking attempts hold business accountable for hiring illegals

>>30
really?  listen to what james dobson, pat robertson, and what all the other duche bags say?  how they rile up their retarded followers to pitch a hissy fit over retarded shit like a nipple, covered by a fucking pastie btw?  or trying to teach horseshit like 'intelligent design' in our schools?

when I was a kid you couldn't buy most things at the store on sunday because of the fucking christians, it was the law (called blue laws).  thankfully that shit ended in the 80's.

social conservatives can eat my shit.

As a law in some states, you cannot become a public servant unless you believe in God.

Seperation of state and church please?

Q1, i love it when morons like Anne coulter go on about how liberals want to kill babies and free criminals. the case for abortion does not center on whether on not the child is alive, it centers on the lives of the people who are already living, namely the mother and the situation she is living in. If a young woman can look at her pregnancy as a corroding force in her life and wants to end it, what will it serve by forcing her to have a child she does not want and cannot care for?

News flash to the bleeding hearts, children take years and hundreds of thousands of dollars to raise. they take untold ammounts of determination, devotion, love, and sacrifice to make into a worthwhile person who won't end up on death row like the aforementioned criminal.

We have too many criminals, psychos, child molesters, and illiterate urban trash as it is. If you can't do it right, please don't do it at all.

Oh, and I have a mac because it looks beautiful, it was cheaper, it came with more features right out of the box, it has a better operating system, and it doesn't crash. ever.

>>34
I like how you mention that children have the potential to end up as criminals but you fail to bring up the notion they might also grow up to be good people or even the next Einstein.  It certainly would be a shame if the (potential) man who discovers [amazing new technology X] were simply thrown in a trash can because a woman couldn't deal with her natural responsibilities in the cycle of life.

But I'm not saying that abortion should be illegal.  It's just a shame that some people value the lives of criminals over limitless new potential.

And really, why is locking someone up for life any less cruel than putting them out of their misery?  What kind of existence is worth having locked up in 6x12 cell with the possibility of being raped in the shower?  Isn't that sort of treatment even worse than death?  A life with no freedom and no opportunity to reach your dreams is somehow humane?  LOL

>>35

no, it isn't, that's why it's such a deterrence.

and you can't use that argument, both 34 and 35, that "ohh, maybe once in the future this kid will grow up to be this and this and this". That's not relevant at all since it's in the future and we can't say anything certain about it.

>>23

1. Guess what? I don't want to have to pay for some prom night mistake conceived in the back of some hicks pick up.

2. NeoCon are doing the same thing. When it comes the stupidity of the two parties it's a zero sum game with politicians and beaucrats basing their ideals around fear and bullshit.

3.
>>29

That threat, by now has been proven, beyond a reasonable doubt to be existent. The only people who say other wise are ignorant fucktards.

>>36
So now it's okay to treat criminals inhumanely as a deterrent against future crime, but it's wrong to use torture on enemy combatants?  Do you libfags sit in your coffee shops all day just thinking of ways to contradict yourselves?

>>38
god your a tool,
the problem is
A: enemy combatants don't get a trail
B: even if criminals were tortured beyond being confined it would be a finite punishment to fit the crime
(not imprisoned forever for ???)
C: enemy combatant has no fixed definition
(lol communist list)
D: every other point is moot becouse everything is happening behind closed doors except for a few media leaks

If a fetus is over 20 weeks aborting it is wrong. Under 20 weeks and it's fine.