There's ZERO reason to think that one man should earn the sum of what 20,000 people earn. Government, which represents its citizens, can help with rational safety nets and income redistribution. It's too bad the Republicunts love to exploit people's morals. It was alcohol in the early 1900s. Race in the 1950s and not its gays.
No, that's because the rich will always order society in their favor regardless of what the tax codes are. If it's the fairtax, it will be even worse because the poor will be paying a larger and more inordinate amount of their net worth in taxes when purchasing commodities and the rich will only be slightly incensed at the higher prices of goods while being dumb to the fact they don't have to go out and purchase that lawyer who would snake out the loopholes in the income tax code.
It doesn't matter how you go about implimenting tax plans, they will always work it to their own benefit. It's getting to the point in which people are fed up with CEOs that do nothing besides being a figurehead and playing golf while making 50% more than their workers.
It's coming to a second guilded age.
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Anonymous2007-10-25 9:57
>>1
Go to hell, faggot. Why should other people be rewarded for another man's hard work? Are still in fucking grade school? Does everyone deserve the same number of cookies? NO. Some assholes deserve none.
>>9
Granted that people will always try to work the system to their advantage (duh), but fairtax will eliminate most loopholes. Fairtax will probably result in a black market in which transactions take place that are not taxed, but fairtax is much more fluid and if this becomes a problem in a certain sector of the economy then they can simply tax the production centers instead and the tax will already be in the cost of obtaining the product. Short of smuggling or outright bribery (which will be about as difficult as it has always been) there is no way else this system can be corrupted and it is much easier chasing after tangible goods than liquid assets divided between 15 swiss bank accounts and 660 unusual business dealings.
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Anonymous2007-10-25 16:43
>>1
You're a cunt and people like you are the reason corporations fuck us. It's too bad the Republicunts love to exploit people's morals. > It was alcohol in the early 1900s.
Democunts as well, and in bigger numbers. Prohibition was labelled as 'progressive' by them. But go ahead and white-wash your party's history.
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Anonymous2007-10-25 20:47
My god, redistribution is akin to slavery, taking one man's hard work and giving to another? I'm all for voluntarily helping people, but forced redistribution is Communism, and as we all know, it doesn't work. If you really think that it does, go read a book or GTFO. Honestly, what I earn, what I produce is solely MINE unless I choose voluntarily to give it up and bestow onto someone else. The "fair tax" thing is an oxymoron: there's no such thing as a tax that is fair as it takes from one by force, coercion. If someone makes what twenty thousand people make, it's their own fault. It's not like it's terribly hard to get a good job in America as long as one isn't retarded...oh wait that's at least one fourth of the population, nevermind then.
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Anonymous2007-10-25 21:21
>>14 |forced redistribution is Communism, and as we all know, it doesn't work
Poor people = niggers/whitetrash/spics/retards etc.. It's a good thing their power, wealth and influence is minimized.
As long as good intelligent people can make a nice living there's no problem.
Free market = freedom.
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Anonymous2007-10-26 3:19
>>18 has the right idea.
Most poor people aren't poor because they got dicked over by money hording evil yuppies. For the most part they're lazy, irresponsible, illegal aliens, or just plain stupid and incapable of making good decisions.
Seriously, why do you give a fuck if the worst (any)society has to offer isn't well taken care of?
These two think that bad decisions make poverty. They're right, but they're right for the wrong reason.
Poverty breeds poverty. Do you think an uncultured nigger without work ethic who has kids will teach the kids to make themselves better than their father? Hell no.
The poor create a system that experiences feedback.
The problem however is when The Middle Class is bifurcated into either the Have or Have Not class, because it starts dividing people who legitimately work and have class. It's here where 19 and 18 go wrong in their assumptions and that's when the Middle Class disappears, it's not always their fault, more often than not it will be the owners of capital.
As long as people remain poor and believe they have no future they will commit crimes to get money. It's no coincidence that the greater the difference in wealth the higher the crime levels are.
moreover, rich niggers are just as criminal as poor niggers
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Anonymous2007-10-26 17:07
the problem is that the federal bureaucracy under the president is far too big, and tbh in (kinda) federal system is is worrying... especially the size of the personal bureaucracy... 50,000... fuck me silly.
none for president because they're all cunts and nobody wants to give power to congress!
or. tear up the constitution and make it a solid piece of work like the German constitution. (Y)
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Anonymous2007-10-26 17:19
>>22
but are rich niggers as criminal as rich honkies?
the answer is: 9/11 never forget. Saddam has WMDs.
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Anonymous2007-10-26 22:23
>>20 >>21 >>24
Oh I forgot. None of us have souls. Every decision we make is the result of determinism so we are in fact not responsible for any of our decisions, I guess that means people who made bad decisions are absolved of sin and people who made good decisions are guilty. You're right, I should hand my cash over the career criminals who didn't have a father. How evil and wrong of me to be brought up to value the protestant work ethic and liberty, what a horrendous crime, never mind the fact that I also did not have a father and my mother could only get work as an assistant school teacher, assistant mind you because there were not enough black teachers and they didn't want to upset the quota.
Be sure to punish me for being subconsciously racist and stupid enough to believe in god aswell, I guess that's my fault for deciding to be part of the white ethnicity and not choosing a politically correct religion. Maybe I should stop being subconsciously racist and start being racist for real, I mean if I am already "subconsciously" racist just for being white I guess there is no choice. Right?
Yeah, so instead of taking the lousy service at the DMV we can take the lousy service at McDonalds.
Privatization eliminates all problems! Blackwater USA has shown us that.
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Anonymous2007-10-30 22:49
Privatization would work if the fuckers weren't too busy scraping billions off the top for themselves.
You want to know why healthcare is so damn expensive? Because the CEOs of insurance companies are too busy being paid millions of dollars to sit around and golf all day while deciding which people should be allowed to just die and crying to newspaper editorialists about how expensive it all is but how government insurance will divide the universe by zero instead of doing fucking obvious things like investing in cheap medicine to cut costs. You'd think that if United healthcare could give its CEO two BILLION dollars worth of stock, they could have fucking bought Pfizer in a stock swap and given the drugs away like candy.
Of course, it also helps that expensive healthcare makes people think they need insurance to survive.
tl;dr: government sucks, corporations granted special powers by the government inherit that exact same suck.
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Anonymous2007-10-31 7:05
>>31
Maybe if income tax wasn't so high they wouldn't need to have such high salaries.
It's really tough living without 2 million when you make an upwards of 20 million.
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Anonymous2007-10-31 13:17
>>33 >>34
If income tax was replaced by fair tax they wouldn't be able to have such high salaries. In the current system they can have enormous salaries because a large part of the government services they use are paid for by the middle classes and they don't need to extra money to compete.
Your argument is empty; it doesn't account for why they wouldn't be held to a standard and reasonable pay. Sure, the government picks up the tab for a lot of things the middle class requires, but that doesn't mean that upon elimination of government interventionism in the financial needs of the middle class will suddenly make the problems of laissez faire disappear; no, it will do the opposite, make the problem much worse.
In before Marxist.
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Anonymous2007-10-31 20:50
>>36
Grammar pls. A common argument against fairtax is that it affects the poor more as they spend a higher proportion of their income but it does not take into account rebates and untaxed mortgages which can save lower and middle classes $10000s over a decade or so.
yeah but someone earning $20,000 a year is literally spending all their money on food, rent, etc.. so they're being taxed on 100% of their income where as someone earning $150,000 might only spend half of that so they're only being taxed on 50% of their income.
As for untaxed mortgages, it's pretty funny you'd mention that as someone earning $20,000 is never going to buy a house.
Point out my grammar mistakes if I have any, that way I can learn what I did wrong (I hold I didn't do anything wrong).
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Anonymous2007-10-31 23:48
Virtually all voting systems in use today (punch-cards, lever machines, hand counted paper ballots, etc.) are subject to fraud and error,
Can be fixed…look at what we do with tech industry advances everybody’s fucking with. It’s like in Russell Simmons fan fic. Listen to me, now. You have to really think in the shoes of the tech industry. See, what’s wrong with it is, that there are Russian and Eastern European hackers set out on dismantling our domestic terror network which supplies the fuckin’ shit, meaning technology. Y’know what I’m sayin’?? It has to do with the H trade. H for heroin. In reality, dealers of Heroin and lesser effective drugs are the proverbial dark crystal which sucks the lives out of our people. And if we further this metaphor, they will drop proverbial bombs on our voting machines once in a while, domestic or otherwise.
And that’s what the Bushian legacy will bring to our people. Our tech in dustry is the ultimate protection, like a condom fucking terrorist ass. , now, folkz. Bushian political adgenda got our boy into office, and now his father will press his prostate into ejaculating the final smack down on the terrorist adgenda. Our tech industry is just like that. Even if we buy it from the Chinxxxx. Y’kna’mean?? Ha ha ha ha ha.
aNYWAYS, it’s probably Bushians who could hack the machines. And that’s a problem, in terms of terror from the inside. But we have to have faith in our government, that’s why liberatorz have to win. They will redesign the system in a way that’s not insane