>>911
Corruption is an inevitable part of any political, social or economic system so judging systems by how they would work in a perfect world is ridiculous. The belief that things beyond the social contract should be decided collectively is the definition of socialism, in theory this is utilitarian but in practice it allows "George Bush"es to maintain and expand crony capitalism. Granted this does not apply to welfare, but it does apply to the federal reserve, regulations that lie outside law enforcement, heavy and overly complex regulation of the finance industry which resembles Qin dynasty China's legalist doctrine and an equally bizarre tax system with little logical basis.
>>912
You have made an error called the strawman fallacy.
My argument is not
Socialism is statist
Bush is statist
therefore Bush is socialist
If I gave you an apple and asked you to prove it is an apple and you said "it looks and tastes like an apple" I could just as easily say
"LOL OMG RETARD BUUUH
THE OBJECT IS APPLE-LIKE
APPLES ARE APPLE-LIKE
THE OBJECT IS AN APPLE
HAHA DUMBASS"
but it would not prove anything since there is a causal link. Since the object has all the properties of an apple then it is an apple. Bush supports policies involving the economy and not involving law enforcement and he believes he is representing the collective interests of the American people. Of course Bush does not believe the entire economy should be run collectively, but how many decisions does someone believe need to be made collectively before they are a socialist?