Why is libertarianism so infallible?

It is due to it being the application of political science. It does not permit failed policies to be continued fruitlessly year after year with idealistic fervour, it is next to impossible for anyone surrounded by fierce libertarian critics to continue clinging on to lies. It is a purely functional machine, lubricated with justice and fueled by free speech.

>>640
no u

Replying with rhetoric after rhetoric is retarded.  Make points and counter your opposition failfags.  Debate better.  And don't give me the '4chan has no serious debates' argument.  That's a cop-out.

>>642
no u

Libertarianism is so great because it never forgets to remember the lessons of 9/11

Libertarianism is just anarchism for rich people.

>>645
More correctly:  Libertarianism allows the rich to achieve their own Socialist system, while leaving the middle class and poor to suffer all the slings and arrows of the free market.  Adopting 100% Libertarianism is just as insane as adopting 100% Capitalism or 100% Socialism.

>>646
You don't understand what you are talking about, you are just pinning the properties of capitalism and socialism on libertarianism without any thought.

There is no such thing as 100% libertarianism, it is empirical and rational unlike marxist derived ideologies which are purely rational with little bearing on reality. You can envisage 100% capitalism and socialism as there are no conflicting factors to deal with, just a few abstract over-simplified ideas about reality which are calculated like an equation to give an answer. However reality is not that simple which is where libertarianism comes in, Libertarianism is the application of political science not head in the clouds abstract thought. A libertarianism is not an enforced state or an ideal, it is a democracy with an elected libertarian political party which deals with issues in a scientific informed manner.

nice post ^

>>646
slings and arrows of the free market.
And with the market being free, you can dodge them, unlike the status quo.

>>649

that is, if you have a sufficient level of dodging skill.

>>650
Dodge is a feat and not a skill, moron.
And that +1 AC bonus is worthless if the free market attacks you when you're flatfooted.

I think libertarianism needs a comprehensive manifesto which covers all the usual queries. The average person just cannot be botherred to see how the pieces fit together because it is a new political philosophy and they do not consider it important, libertarianism needs normalising and it needs to remind people all new movements have to break the ice as it were.

Delicious troll chow is served.

the funny thing about all the people giving Ron Paul $100 is that they actually think he might win.  loooooooooooooolll

Ron Paul won't win, but he will make a big splash. The libertarian-republican boat needs a nice young new energetic 50 year old Ron Paul junior to take over because Ron Paul will be like 80 next time there is an election.

Face it America is the land of the free. A welfare state like Sweden or Canada is all well and good, but America is about freedoms and the world needs at least one place like America where people can go if they want to do more than earn $50000 a year and live in a peaceful suburb. For instance in America you can earn 80 times more than the average worker, not including options and dividends, and live in a penthouse apartment in an exciting crime infested inner city full of spics and niggers to keep you on your toes. I prefer to live like that frankly.

Capitalism is killing us. In a couple of years (well within the next 15) we're all going to be hit by peak oil. No company can help, and we all know what governments get up to when economic times get tough. Getting a libertarian government to lead us in this century is suicide. I'd even trust neoconservatives more.

Corporate conflict at the expense of the greater good at its most extreme. You get the neverending faggotory of socially left-wing and economic fascism. Have fun fag

>>657
Wrong. Humble energy companies which are like small local businesses helping the black community that the state enjoys persecuting will invest in renewable energy. State monopolies will force things into their asshole to take their mind off what a failure they are whilst bitch whining about "EVIL KKKAPITALI$T$".

>>658
Income tax is arbitrary and fluid. Corporations move to Switz tax havens exactly because our income tax system allows them. The trouble is liberals are short sighted and have a warped view of economics so they can't see how income tax is unfair on the "little guy", they just gain sexual gratification knowing that they are stealing from the rich and giving to the poor when the only rich people they take from are dumbass movie and music stars who do not know how to work the system.

The free market is the perfect economic system. Why won't people realise this?

>>661

i dunno.  maybe because it led to the great depression loooollllll

>>662
No, read the fucking thread.

>>662
No it didn't. Hoover caused the crash of 1929 with his policies that attempted to smooth out natural corrections in the market, then after the crash happenned he caused a panic by using it as an excuse to increase government interference in the economy causing another crash just as the market began to recover.

666 GET

>>666
You win a cookie.

The reason that libertarians are against social security and proposed plans for national health care isn't because the ideas are not feasible but because the programs WOULD WORK.  It's horrifying to them that a federal government program could better serve more people at lower cost and greater efficiency than private entities.

The free market starved old people and killed off sick people for centuries.  The reason that most libertarians today are iconoclastic white kids is because they already have money have a status quo to maintain.  The idea that we we should be concerned about each other and look after each other's basic welfare is against the basic tenets of libertarianism.

The top .5% of the population earns 10% of the income.  We should increase income taxes on those faggots and pay for national health care.  Fuck Ron Paul.

>>668
The statist quo is not libertarian in any sense of the word, the reality is very simple...

First of all the free market is an organiser of economies not an economy itself, so if a free market economy is war torn and collapsed to begin with, like Japan in the late 40s, it is hardly the free market's fault that orphans get thrown out into the snow bladiblabla.

Secondly people are rich for different reasons, some are professionals like surgeons, succesful entertainers, succesful business leaders and university professors who are rich because they fill positions in the economy few others can. Of course there are playboys who inherit a few million. Then there are people who own an unnaturally huge amount of cash due to their exploitation of state intervention in the economy, the federal reserve, the EPA and our income tax system. These people earn 10s of millions of dollars through hedge funds and accountancy firms geared to taking advantage of these loopholes and they are often heavily involed in politics or a vital sector of the economy themselves to preserve the statist quo that maintains state intervention in the economy.

Rome had bread and circuses, America has welfare checks and evangelism/social initiatives. While the super-rich have to pay tax like everyone else it is token compared to the amount paid by the middle and professional classes, they detest welfare but for them it is a fair price to pay in exchange for the support from the lower classes for the loopholes in the economy they profit from.

The demographic you are talking about are young males who came from a lower-middle class background, excelled in education and quickly began earning a lot of money only to discover the statist quo set up by democraps and republicunts to appease the masses at their expense. If they were born into money and had a statist quo to maintain they would become republican but these yuppies prefer libertarianism since they wish to topple the statist quo and don't see the logic behind their social restrictions.

Bear in mind this isn't a conspiracy, there are no jews or gray aliens behind this, it is simply a bunch of super-rich assholes who set up lobbyists to push for some random bullshit some portion of the masses cares about and their little loopholes along with it.

wammo 00:00!!!

fail

>>669

I didn't read past the (Post truncated.) part - I just thought you should know that.

>>672
You don't have to. The fact the ideals you've been worshipping all your life are complete bullshit has enterred your mind already.

THE NEGRO

Of all the mass imbecilities which have demoralised mankind, this of racial equality between all peoples, White, Black, Red and Yellow, is the most inane. Politically, it has already stirred up all the minor races into a state of belligerence and discontent which will impose minor wars on the dominant nations for years to come. But when it comes to racial integration between the White and Black races, sanity has descended to the looney bin of the impossible, because the intermixture of blood between those races must degrade the White race to the level of the Negro and cannot raise the Negro to the level of the White. Where today we see some evidence of the effect of education on the Negro it is the White blood in him that stirs some animation in his sluggish mental faculties, but the Negro pure, as he exists in Africa, cannot be educated even up to the standard of the lowest content of the White race. He may learn to parrot all the political and sociological clichés of today, but unless he is buttressed by the White race, and policed by it, he must relapse back to the jungle, which is his predestined habitat.

There appears to be an illusion today that this age is the first one in which the Negro has come into contact with a White civilisation, and so had a chance to benefit by its cultural and sociological ordinances. This is not the case. Since the genesis of this present civilisation some six or seven thousand years ago, the Negro has had contact with many past episodes of civilisation, but always, as each subsided, he has relapsed back to the jungle. The other three races, White, Yellow and Red, have devised their own civilisations, and have maintained them through the ages, but it is only in quite recent years that the Negro has come into relations with them. As in the past, his status has been one of slavery, because he has never been able to compete culturally with their achievements in the arts and crafts and intellectual standards. Nor can he compete today with those same achievements, because he utterly lacks the creative faculty: he has no thumbs. The only thing he ever learned to do was to smelt iron ore and hammer out his spear heads. That weapon was essential to the preservation of his existence in his tribal wars, and his food derived from wild animals able to defend themselves with teeth and claws.

Save for the Chinese, and other Asiatic peoples, all other civilisations were generated on the shores of the Mediterranean and the Negro penetration of them was very slight, except, perhaps, with the Egyptians, who were themselves a dark coloured race, but with no relation to the Negroid peoples. Only the Moors and Arabs, because of their geographical contiguity with Africa, have kept up the slave trade with Negroes, but sexual union with them was strictly prohibited. Or impossible for that matter. By a very simple clinical ritual, the Negro became a harmless guard and menial to the Harem. It is only since the colonisation of Africa by the British, Dutch, French and Belgian peoples that the Negro has become a momentous world problem within the last two decades. The British, French and Belgian peoples solved it for themselves by handing their colonies over to the Negroes. The Dutch could not do that. They had been so long in South Africa that they had built up another white race there—the Boers. And there, the world may be assured, they will remain, and the Negro will not be permitted racial equality with them. What must happen shortly between those peoples is already predestined. The only other country on which the full weight of the Negro falls is America.

And the Politician’s solution to it of race integration is a desperation measure which never can succeed, as the politicians themselves know, but at present, they dare not do anything about it, for President Johnson won the presidential campaign by handing himself over to the largest section of the community to command the vote, just as Roosevelt did to capture the presidential chair. We know that section, which is the pestilential problem of all peoples who seek to keep a sane balance of rationality in the conduct of their political and sociological affairs. In Australia, we call them Wowsers—a stigma word which Mencken incorporated in his American Language, but as yet Americans have not adopted it. A stigma word has great power.

In America the Wowser is the self-elected Dogooder—the temperance crank, the Purity Leaguer, the anti-saloon leaguer, the Comstock bookshop smasher and picture slasher; in short, that chapel product of the cheap suburbs and the rural back blocks which seeks to impose its own horrible codes and doctrines on all that makes life tolerable for well constituted humanity. They are the people who imposed Prohibition on America and very nearly wrecked the country. In Russia, they were largely responsible for the Revolution by cutting off the people’s need for liquor during the 194 war. They are the Pacifists—the peace at any pricers, the appeasers at any threat of war which thereby makes it inevitable by inviting aggression from piratically inclined nations. They are today trying to cripple Johnson’s handling of the Viet Nam war: the finest piece of statecraft since the great days of England as a world power, when half a dozen words from Lord Salisbury was enough to send Russia scuttling back from the Oxus. It is a great pleasure to know that our men are fighting with the Yanks, and that more are being trained to follow, if needed.

It is the Wowser, then, to use one stigma term for a generic type common to America, England, and Australia, who is doing all the mischief today by inflating the Negro with a state of megalomania which convinces him that he is the victim of monstrous injustice by the white peoples, and all revenges on them are his by right of martyrdom. And that revenge he will take whenever he has power to do so.

We must concede him injustice so far in that the Whites have invaded his country and taken possession of large sections of it. In the past, they made a commodity of him in the slave market. Those same Whites have now handed back to him the sections of country they had occupied and have freed him from slavery. Justice can go no further than that.

But America, swung off a sane balance of rationality by the maudlin sentimentality of the Wowsers for the assumed sad lot of the Negroes, has allowed its politicians to establish them in equal civil and social rights with the Whites. They have ordained that the white children must consort intimately with the black offspring from infancy to adolescence, and that alone insures sexual intimacy between the two races. That American mothers—always so passionately possessive over their young—should have allowed them to do such a noxious thing is evidence that they are too dazed by the bulldozing tactics of the politicians to realise its inevitable consequences. It is assumed that education will dispose of the physiological compulsions inherent in all such propinquity of the human species.

Education! This age has become besotted over its assumed potentialities to perform a universal miracle, which is that text books alone can create a civilisation. It ignores the irrefutable evidence that only a civilised mind can be educated. Education is nothing more than a procedure for exercising intellectual faculties which are a content of the mind at birth. It has taken the white race six thousand years to develop those special faculties on which all civilisations have been built. The craftsman’s fingers, the musician’s ear, the artist’s hand and eye, the scientist’s investigation of all natural phenomena are inherited from progenitors who have left behind them the brain cells, and the muscular reflexes essential to all creative effort. And it is now assumed that education, in a generation or two, will allow the wretched Negro to develop those special faculties and so allow him to compete on equal terms with the White race as a civilised being. Imbecility can go no further than such a preposterous assumption.

Already the Negro mass is in a vicious state of resentment because it has not straightway been vested in all the rights and privileges of the Whites. The Los Angeles episode is a sufficient evidence of a universal state of mind among the Negroes. And that is only the beginning of the trouble. When he finds that the higher-class whites will not consort with him on equal terms, and that there is no place for him among the trained working class, no police force in the world will be adequate to control him.

Americans are not a docile people when politicians impose arbitrary interdictions on the free conduct of their civic rights and their private lives. The politicians’ failure to inflict Prohibition on the American people is evidence of what they must expect by this proposal to impose racial integration with the Negroes on them. It only required an adjustment of the legal code to dispose of Prohibition, but no such adjustment can solve the Negro problem for them. There is only one possible solution to that, but I am not going to take it on myself to suggest it. It must be already pregnant in the minds of all higher class American thinkers today.

>>674
You are not a libertarian.

>>668
Government socialism is a lot like unions.  They push up the cost of doing business with them and can very easily put the company their working with out of business.  In fact they regularly do this.

So does socialism put a burden on the people.  Why should other people suffer so that a few worthless entities who possess nothing live nice paid for lives.

The OP of this thread is like a used car salesman trying to sell you on a shit car.  It's attractive because it's cheap and seems like a quick fix to your needs.  But the more rational part of your mind tells you there's a million reasons not to buy the lemon.  So the salesman tries to plow though your indecision by talking and talking and talking and talking and talking until eventually words and ideas lose their meaning.

It's still a junker though.

>>677
The OP of this thread is like a plucky underdog entrepeneur trying to obtain investment for the next best thing.  This is one of those flashpoint times in history because it has so much potential and solves so many problems you didn't even know existed.  But the irrational part of your mind tells you because it's a new untested idea it might not work.  So the entrepeneur meticulously plows though your indecisions by responding to criticism and backing up her/his arguments and being open and never ignoring legitimate arguments and applying sound science and logic until eventually remaining counter-arguments and retorts lose their validity.

It's still largely unknown though.

>>676
they're*

Why are people still posting in this thread. It's naerly 700 posts long.

>>679
It's not often you come across infallible political principles.