Liberals and Libertarians.

There was one thread named "libertarians are a joke" with some liberals talking as though all libertarians are capitalists and libertarians pointing out that this was wrong.

Then there was another thread named "what does socialism mean" with some libertarians talking as though all liberals are communists and some liberals pointing out that this was wrong.

We should be beginning to see a pattern here.

Are we all in agreement that Marx's idea of communism and capitalism are all naive bullshit? I'm not just talking about Marx either, I'm talking about all sorts of political philosophers who knew very little about the field they discussed and viewed the world through a very narrow lense. Marx discussed socio-economics yet he did not major in mathematics which is fundamental to any subject dealing with economics. In his writings he did not prove scientifically that his theories were viable. He was a total failure. No one can take him seriously as a scientist, only as a case study in psychology investigating how people get drawn into fallacies.

So Libertarians believe communism is utter BS and claim not to be capitalists but free marketeers. Whilst liberals believe capitalism is utter BS and claim not to be communists but social democrats....

Perhaps it is time for libertarians to state clearly that capitalism is BS and for liberals to state clearly that communism is BS.

Then we can all agree that Marx and other idealists who followed suite, including national socialists, capitalists and fascists, were bullshitters and we need to do things scientifically.

As a libertarian myself I hereby clearly state that capitalism is BS.

In case it isn't already obvious, Adam Smith's version of the "free market" is not the same as "capitalism" as practiced in the majority of Western countries.

On the same token, Karl Marx's version of "Marxism" is not communism, much less socialism, and definitely not the form of "capitalism" promoted by social democrats.

Neither of these people's economic theories have ever been put in to practice in their pure form, and have only been used as the basis for planning a nation's economic structures, with many compromises in regards to upholding some of the tenets of their ideologies. While I will say that at least in my opinion, capitalism has worked far better than communism, looking at the track records of nations that have adopted both throughout history. Saying that either Adam Smith's "laissez-faire/free market" theories or Karl Marx's "utopian society/whatever you want to call it" theories have ever been put into practice in their purest forms to undergo the trials and tests of a nation/civilization/society is incorrect.