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Libertarianism is a joke.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-08 20:42 ID:9zWk4Gwy

It's the 21st century version of laissez-faire. Instead of the government raping our asses, it's the corporations. I'd rather have some form of regulation in capitalism than none. Notice how the areas that resembles libertarianism politics the most are the areas that are leeching federal money and relies heavily on manufacturing jobs. Way to take care of your population.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-29 0:28 ID:QP9KmdAl

>>80
Just look at the standard of living in the west and free market asian nations for example.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-29 8:57 ID:ipEHPmVR

>>81

"the west" isn't a libertarian society.

like what? singapore?
first of all, singapore has been rich ever since it was a colony, a center of trade for the entire region, this of course helped give singapore the resources it takes to get a proper society running. Huge industrialization processes funded by the government. Public housing made affordable for all. Strict regulation of behaviour and dicipline. focus on technological and computer education from the governments side already from 1980.
Singapore may have slack laws regarding trade and taxes and such, but it's DEFINATELY not libertarian.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-29 12:15 ID:QP9KmdAl

>>82
Unlike soviet communism you don't need pure libertarianism to see the benefits, you need but employ a few principles. The west and succesful asian countries implemented the libertarian principle of giving economic power to the people instead of just a few evil capitalists as in the case of fascism or even worse handing it over to state control as in the case of socialism, communism, national socialism and other marx derived forms of government.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-29 14:30 ID:ipEHPmVR

>>83

but that doesn't make them libertarian...

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-29 20:42 ID:cduOd56m

i like library's

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-29 22:06 ID:QP9KmdAl

>>84
But they should be sucking lady liberty's clit in thanks for their prosperity and civilisation.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-29 22:28 ID:cduOd56m

>>86
l like clit's

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-30 0:55 ID:g9og8WV5

>>86

*sigh* so because there some economic principles which have proven succesful, and these principles are shared by libertarians, we should become libertarian?
*shakes head*

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-30 1:01 ID:JaCsS3Wh

>>1
I FUCKING LOVE YOU! finally someone who isnt a fuckface libera.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-30 9:08 ID:pyQj3l+Z

>>81

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MONGOLIA?

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-30 10:16 ID:sBt+LFga

>>88
They are succesful for the same reason libertarian's other principles will be succesful. Why do you hate logic so much?

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-30 12:15 ID:wAeDk3fY

What reason is that?

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-30 15:43 ID:sBt+LFga

>>92
The reasonning that you are better off without your balls in someone's vice grip.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-30 16:27 ID:g9og8WV5

>>93
your reasoning fails.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-30 16:34 ID:wAeDk3fY

>>93
Some vitamin A is good for you.

Therefore more is even better! (hello poisoning)

As if >>88 wasn't clear enough. IHBT?

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-30 20:33 ID:pyQj3l+Z

>>83

LIBERTARIANISM DERIVES THEIR PHILOSOPHY FROM ECONOMIC PRINCIPLES, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND ASSHOLE.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-30 20:37 ID:pyQj3l+Z

>>91

WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA SO MUCH YOU FREEDOM HATING, TERRORIST LOVING,  BUTT FUCKING, FETUS ABORTING, ILLEGAL BORDER CROSSING, FRIED CHICKEN EATING, JEWISH NOSE HAVING, SON OF A BITCH FAG?

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-30 23:08 ID:4kYmgcGW

>>97
because its fashionable, sweety.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-30 23:10 ID:dUVX8LMS

>>97
wouldnt have anything to do with arrogance would it?

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-30 23:31 ID:4kYmgcGW

>>99
No, thats the French.

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-01 0:05 ID:EY5ZScwX

>>100
no. the french are arrogant AND stupid.

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-01 0:15 ID:Heaven

>>101
No, thats the Americans.

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-01 0:21 ID:EY5ZScwX

>>102
i always get "stupid" and "drunk" mixed up...

Name: sumarugatu 2007-05-01 1:06 ID:LuEiAdMa

why dont we give an AK-47 and 3 magazines full of ammunition, a couple grenades, and some MRE's, then become Anarchists and let things go from there.
its a good plan right?

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-01 1:09 ID:LuEiAdMa

i fucked up... you need to give those things to civilians for the plan to work.

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-01 7:22 ID:s3hq8CzL

Americans arent stupid. Just arrogant.

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-01 8:09 ID:ngbBG3Mn

americans are well fucking stupid

.. and arrogant

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-01 9:14 ID:2V0TZexb

>>107
Oh yeah? Show me "man trapped in glass box" grasshopper.
Stupid frenchman.

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-01 13:56 ID:X6lLYgeO

>>106

rednecks

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-01 14:32 ID:2V0TZexb

>>109
you say that like its a bad thing.

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-02 23:33 ID:evDS35/4

Libertarian is a total failure, just look at _______ and _______.

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-03 21:55 ID:UfVgbtX4

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-03 22:03 ID:UfVgbtX4

>>111

America during the Industrialization Era and the events leading up to the Great Depression.

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-03 22:48 ID:tp36zHN7

>>113
America during industrialization era = socialism. Events leading up to the great depression = new president who favoured a new socialist direction for the US economy.

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-04 1:02 ID:Heaven

>>114
America during industrialization era = fascism. Events leading up to the great depression = new president who favoured a new fascist direction for the US economy.

Please discredit any Anonymous with ID:tp36zHN7 for your own sanity.

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-04 1:19 ID:Heaven

>>114
Haha oh wow

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-10 16:18 ID:EzZUf8jL

>>17

Of course capitalism exists in a nation state.  It's always existed.  Until recently, however, it's been considered dirty, mean, unfit for the ruling class and their ideologies.  That's all. 

The current problem is not an excess of capitalism.  It's an excess of corporatism.  Capitalists invest their own money, so they have a personal stake and reap a personal reward.  Corporations gather large amounts of money from disconnected stakeholders and put them in the hands of a third party, the manager.  That person's interest is often not aligned with the interests of the shareholders, because the manager doesn't have either the discretion or the caution that comes with investing your own money. 

A lot of corporations have become exercises in shifting and thus avoiding blame.  The structure allows for those responsible to avoid taking responsibility.  The buck doesn't really stop anywhere, unless it's turning a profit in which case everyone wants credit or, in less scrupulous countries, a cut.  The irony is that the same thing occurred in another institution - the Soviet Union. 

The Management is to Libertarianism what the Party was to Communism.  Its corruption and downfall. 

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-10 23:07 ID:Q5Bk0bLG

>>114
What the fuck are you talking about? We have never had a Socialist economy. gb2 US history.

>>115
See above.

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-11 5:35 ID:wKAvpGbW

>>118

you seem to forget that anything not 100% free market is socialist.


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Name: Anonymous 2007-05-11 6:20 ID:H9s2IT/2

The only place where marxism is taken seriously are Liberal Arts departments. And we all know how those places are just bursting with geniuses.

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