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Why is socialism called socialism?

Name: Anonymous 2007-03-23 21:10 ID:6yIgAeXs

Why.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-09 20:18 ID:YiMeBFBy

Since when have any factions really given a shit about society as a whole?

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-10 8:24 ID:bEuoKuu0

>>39
Do you ever stop whining??? Holy fuck!

>>40
Someone who is truly intent on gaining power by any means necessary does not act like a sociopath, because sociopaths are slaves to their overpowerring emotions. Sociopaths are not stupid and are capable of devising complex plots, it is just that they focus their efforts on fulfilling their warped emotional needs and control over their small social environment rather than real power. To your hypothetical sentient person with abstolutely no care for other sentient beings, the sociopath would be weak for fulfilling his emotional needs rather than to gain power. Hedonism is as much of a weakness as morality.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-10 11:24 ID:cGfAOXa8

what's this morality we all talkin' about?

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-10 11:44 ID:6jBPYILM

>>38

Karl Marx's concepts are about as "primitive and useless" as Adam Smith's concepts are, assuming that either are considered such. Neither Smith's nor Marx's ideas work correctly when applied and practiced in their pure form, due to the fact that human nature will always pervert their ideologies.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-10 12:56 ID:jKFbxZ1B

>>42
Do you ever stop whining??? Holy fuck!
Not as long as it pisses you off, you presumptuous fuck.

Do you ever stop throwing ad hominem??? Holy fuck! lol

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-10 15:08 ID:fI4KtzA4

>>44
Adam Smith's concepts are not primitive or useless. If they were the entire western world would be as poor as Russia in the 20s.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-10 15:09 ID:fI4KtzA4

>>45
When you have a logical criticism of clearly defined concepts instead of the strawman you are jerking off over I will respond.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-10 15:19 ID:AvYJ8GB4

>>47
Ah, so not only do you fail, you're illiterate. What part of >>39 did you not understand?

But I guess this is to be expected from the poster of >>25 (and if you're not him, what are you babbling about?).

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-10 15:28 ID:cGfAOXa8

>>46

yeah, because adam smith invented all economic thinking, without him noone would've noticed any patterns in anything. all hail the god-emperor adam smith.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-10 15:30 ID:K3jE7xPp

>>40
Morality is only a weakness if its slave-morality.
Sociopaths and skeptics have master-morality.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-10 17:21 ID:SgbOo8Ci

>>42
To your hypothetical sentient person with abstolutely no care for other sentient beings, the sociopath would be weak for fulfilling his emotional needs rather than to gain power. Hedonism is as much of a weakness as morality.

Not sure what your saying here, I made no hypothesis.
A sociopath is impossible to just pick out of a crowd, being they are more than capable at feigning compassion, empathy and morality. They can exploit these things in others, and will do so as long as they can without being caught. This is the inherent advantage they have over everyone else.
If the sociopath's strong desires include power over others, then they have the advantage of not being constricted by a conscience.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-12 13:00 ID:CvpfaP3B

>>51
But they are not totally determinned to gain power. Like I said they suffer from emotional problems and only want to gain only a certain type and amount of powr to quench their emotional needs.

>>49
The patterns Adam Smith noticed were correct. If they were incorrect then either 100s of years of accounts and decisions based on Adam Smith's fundaments by pure chance were correct or the west's economic system was as inefficient as soviet russia's and we must now get back to the state owned shops and queue for tap water before we dehydrate.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-13 23:23 ID:Heaven

>>52
Sociopaths all have different desires, like everyone else.
Some want money.
Some want sex.
Some want to make others feel pain.
Some just want to drift through life as easily as possible.
And some want absolute power.

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