Name: Anonymous 2007-03-15 15:11 ID:ENR2vB/Q
Commutards like to say "OH BUT STALIN WASN'T A REAL COMMUNIST LOL". Yeah, ok, he didn't implement communism. Want to know why? Because the communists did fuck all to stop him. Had he been part of the american revolution he would have had no more power than any of the other founding fathers. The founding fathers were not perfect, our revolutionaries owned slaves and were involved in some dubious war crimes, but the libertarians never let anyone even consider becomming absolute tyrant. Far worse, the communists let Stalin enslave everyone, who wasn't a communist party member of course.
Did you just hear what I said? I know the founding fathers were not perfect, owned slaves and committed crime, yet I still have faith in democracy. You see the whole point of democracy is criticism, while you are apologetic and desperately make exuses for the horrors of communism I admit democracy's faults and thus take the first step to actually solving the problems criticised. Please, go ahead, criticise democracy. Just remember, you won't be executed by the government and your criticism of democracy only causes you to participate in it. Essentially the only way to damage democracy apart from physically and completely destroying it is to keep your mouth shut.
"Many forms of government have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time."
Winston Churchill
You will never implement communism, it isn't an original idea, it is not a science, it does not cover anything fundamental in human society, it is just another populist ruse which, conveniently for some, ignores the nature of tyranny. Communists say anyone who doesn't support them but who claims to help the proletariat is a reactionary, I say the world is more complicated than the abstract over simplified marxist view of the world and most opposing political movements are in fact doing more to help the proletariat than communists ever will. I say this "us and them" mentality, this belief in the infallibility of communism wreaks of extremism and is more of an attempt to control people than to help them. I say that it is the communists who are the true reactionaries!
Even if communism is the best form of government that creates a utopia where everyone is happy, if a democracy were to attempt to achieve this they would experience 1000s of problems that marx could have never predicted and the finnished product would be nothing like the utopia he envisaged. This won't happen however, no nation is going to follow the path to communism now, nations like Cuba and North Korea are clearly just tyrannies using the idealism like a cult-religion, they'll never get anywhere until they embrace libertarian principles. Also no, I'm not an ignorant reactionary for not trusting a group of people who tell me a dictatorship of the "proletariat" is going to make the world a better place. I want to eliminate poverty and profiteering as much as any sane person. I'm aware that rich factory owners attempt to pay the lowest wages possible and that playboys who inherit millions from their parents have a better send off than people born to single mothers in the projects. I merely realise that being a ranting naive idiot isn't the best way to solve such problems.
Did you just hear what I said? I know the founding fathers were not perfect, owned slaves and committed crime, yet I still have faith in democracy. You see the whole point of democracy is criticism, while you are apologetic and desperately make exuses for the horrors of communism I admit democracy's faults and thus take the first step to actually solving the problems criticised. Please, go ahead, criticise democracy. Just remember, you won't be executed by the government and your criticism of democracy only causes you to participate in it. Essentially the only way to damage democracy apart from physically and completely destroying it is to keep your mouth shut.
"Many forms of government have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time."
Winston Churchill
You will never implement communism, it isn't an original idea, it is not a science, it does not cover anything fundamental in human society, it is just another populist ruse which, conveniently for some, ignores the nature of tyranny. Communists say anyone who doesn't support them but who claims to help the proletariat is a reactionary, I say the world is more complicated than the abstract over simplified marxist view of the world and most opposing political movements are in fact doing more to help the proletariat than communists ever will. I say this "us and them" mentality, this belief in the infallibility of communism wreaks of extremism and is more of an attempt to control people than to help them. I say that it is the communists who are the true reactionaries!
Even if communism is the best form of government that creates a utopia where everyone is happy, if a democracy were to attempt to achieve this they would experience 1000s of problems that marx could have never predicted and the finnished product would be nothing like the utopia he envisaged. This won't happen however, no nation is going to follow the path to communism now, nations like Cuba and North Korea are clearly just tyrannies using the idealism like a cult-religion, they'll never get anywhere until they embrace libertarian principles. Also no, I'm not an ignorant reactionary for not trusting a group of people who tell me a dictatorship of the "proletariat" is going to make the world a better place. I want to eliminate poverty and profiteering as much as any sane person. I'm aware that rich factory owners attempt to pay the lowest wages possible and that playboys who inherit millions from their parents have a better send off than people born to single mothers in the projects. I merely realise that being a ranting naive idiot isn't the best way to solve such problems.