Obama

People only like Obama because he's black.

Well, i thought the most important thing is to get as good service for as little money as possible, you know, efficiency. What does it matter that you pay almost no taxes if you medical bills are the highest possible on this earth while the service is not as grand? What moral reasons is there against saving money? Are you being opressed because you pay less?

>>41
Because then we don't have to pay for your 200 lb weed smoking ass when you have cardiac arrest on the highway.

>>42

Which rarely (see: never) ever happens. You're fagging out about stoners because of ignorance or you having a personal experience with being a fucked up stoner. But don't give you the right opt out of the government.

>>42
But its cheaper! You mean that you are prepared to pay more money so that the stoner doesnt get treatment? Its worse to pay less and he gets treatment than that you pay more and he doesnt get treatment? You are being selfish out of spite?

I can't speak for 42, because he obviously doesn't know how weed affects the body, but I think it's justifiable to deprive lazy, self-destructive people from medical care, even if I do end up paying more for my own health needs.  Society as a whole would benefit if the notion that "it's okay to be fat/lazy/promiscuous/etc" was erased.  Being a fat, lazy, unsafe, asshole should have no benefits to it whatsoever.  But a socialist style medicare system pretty much says "hey even if you don't take care of yourself you'll be treated anyway, so there's no reason for you to work hard, eat healthy, and stay away from drugs."

>>44
Do the maths. The difference in cost is just a few percentiles and it's not all doom and gloom for the US has one of the best track records for ambulance response times.

If I live a healthy lifestyle I pay less and if I get an unavoidable serious illness my insurance will cover it. I would be paying for private healthcare in other countries anyway because most of them are just minor ailment factories.

>>45
Okey, that is your opinion. But then never ever again say that your system is the most economical sound. Because you have just stated that you are prepared to waste money just so that people who is not as morally upright or whatnot as you want them to be wont get health care. You are prepared to waste money for no gain, just based on some abstract absolute moral code. Is that really capitalism?

>>46
Best response times is worthless if the rest of your system is a bloated pile of shit. But maybe you think that dying in a hospital instead of in your home is the greatest since the vaccine for polio?

>>47
The socialist system isn't better. Haven't you watched house?

>>48
Maybe socialist systems are cheaper because ambulances simply don't get there quickly enough and they can say "oh he was dead before we got here lol, nothing to do with us!".

>>47
I'm 45
I wasn't the one saying our health care system is economically sound.  I think you may have mistaken me for one of the other posters.  My whole opinion is that I don't want slackers leeching off of me and other people who live responsibly.  Whether or not it's the most efficient system makes no difference to me.

>>51
>I'm 45
Get off 4chan, you pedo!

>>49

That's not what he asked you. He asked you if that's really capitalism. Why didn't you answer him? Is that because you know the answer is "HELL NO."?

>>51

"Slacker" is a subjective term. In my opinion, you wasting your time on the internet and not being out there helping the poor or defending the world from terrorists-- makes you a slacker. If I have to pay for YOUR freedom to do whatever you want, then you have to pay for mine.

That's the beauty of America, no one has the right to say: "So and so isn't doing their part"...because this isn't a socialist or fascist system. There's no such thing as leeching because everybody pays into the system in one way or another.

>>53

Except for the very rich. Stoners pay into the system more than they do, but apparently they aren't a factor to >>51.

Back to the actual topic...

Obama may speak well, he *may* even be a good Senator, but he's too fucking inexperienced to have the highest office in the land.  If the Democrats care about getting some power back they'll realize that McCain will castrate Obama in a debate on the experience question alone.  They will also realize that Clinton is too divisive a character to be elected.  The Democrats need to start looking at people like Chris Dodd, who with the proper funding might actually have a shot.

>>55
Yeah. I think that's probably it. I think secretly his run for president is jus a confidence building exercise to say "I'd make a president, just not the best choice yet.". Of course if he gets overhwelming support compared to Hillary he will become the democrat candidate, but this is unlikely. I don't think the majority of the democrat party is a politically correct twit who vote for people just because they are non-white or female, not to say that there aren't people like that.

>>55
The less time playing the dirty political gain the better, quite frankly. Look at your example, McCain has completely lost all dignity and self respect and become another Neocon cronie. 6 years ago he was a good senator and a decent man.

The president doesn't need experience, really. They have so many advisers and cabinet members and everything that all they need is good judgment. Bush has bad judgment, Obama has good judgment and stands up for what he believes in, which for the most part is what I believe in, which is why I think he is the best candidate for president. And it looks like its going to be Giuliani for the Republicans, who has less experience than Obama, so they won't be able to get him on that one.

>>53
It has nothing to do with "doing their part".  The issue I have is that my money shouldn't pay for someone else's problems, especially if it happens that they've been reckless or failed to prepare themselves for hard times.

I had a strange dream last night. It was Obama taking Hillary doggy style and Hillary was all "FUCK ME NIGGER". What does this mean?

>>59
Hillary likes the hard nigga cock?

>>60
Who doesn't?

>>39
Probably does heroin.