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"Sorry man, but I just find that to be silly and juvenile. In this case consent is irrelevant. Male Circumcision isn't so serious of a procedure that it requires an infant boy's consent."
Yes it is... the procedure is something that:
1. Hurts like fuck
2. Will alter the person's appearance for the rest of his life
3. Make sex less enjoyable
4. Makes nearly every man cringe (just thinking about it)
It has many of the negatives of female genital mutilation. The only reason nobody gives a fuck is because everyone is so damn focused on women's rights and nobody gives a fuck what happens to men nowadays.
"We are talking about a piece of skin here, not the ability to give birth or get an erection."
The skin you are taking off has lots of nerves in it and removing it severely limmits sexual pleasure for the man... among other things. See above.
"Would you have parents not even name a child because the child didn't consent to it?"
Names are completely different. The child can adopt his own name later in life if he wants to, and the parents nor anyone else are likely to care. Names are also relatively painless when you compare it with male genital mutilation.
"Would you have parents not give birth because the child didn't consent to being concieved?"
Would you allow female genital mutilation without consent?
"There are alot of things that are a part of my identity that I didn't consent to. I'm black, I'm American, I have an unusal name, etc."
And everything except the name is essentially uncontrollable. The decision to have a babies' genitals mutilated or not is something you can decide, and there is really no reason to do it, and every reason not to. As for your unusual name? See above, I covered that.
"But I really don't think these things have much of an effect on how I turned out...least of all having a circumsized dick!"
That's just great for you. Some people would rather keep their penises whole and non-mutilated though, believe it or not.
"See, what I'm trying to get at here is that Americans aren't circumcising their baby boys just to slight you and rest of the world. Overall, what does it matter?"
1. Hurts like fuck
2. Will alter the person's appearance for the rest of his life
3. Make sex less enjoyable
4. Makes nearly every man cringe (just thinking about it)
Anyways, the fact that it isn't done to slight you is really beside the point. If someone kills someone because they want to for some other reason, but not for the purpose of slighting the person, it is still wrong.
"So, you have to understand, when it comes to this subject I'm desperately trying to find out what Europe's beef with circumcision is."
I'm not a big fan of europe, but the issues I have with genital mutilation are listed above.
"Sure, there's no point in it- but there's no point in alot of things humans do to disfigure themselves (plastic surgery, peircing, tats, body mods). What I can't exactly grasp is why it is any of your business in the first place."
Would it be our business if parents decided to stick their kids with a rusty needle over and over, against their will?